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JOY
    #4359650 - 07/01/05 03:07 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Leo Buscaglia said:
Ancient Egyptians believed that upon death they would be asked two questions and their answers would determine whether they could continue their journey in the afterlife. The first question was, "Did you bring joy?" The second was, "Did you find joy?"




JOY


1 a : the emotion evoked by well-being, success, or good fortune or by the prospect of possessing what one desires : DELIGHT
b : the expression or exhibition of such emotion : GAIETY
2 : a state of happiness or felicity : BLISS
3 : a source or cause of delight

It seems to me that many religious beliefs center on fear of a deity, devoting yourself through hard work/discipline, abstaining from physical pleasures ("sins"), in order to earn a reward.

Where is the joy in this approach?  How is it that pure joy is not considered spiritual?

It has been my experience that joy, and enjoyment, increase both my physical well-being AND my spiritual focus.  The more I open myself to being joyful, the more I am able to release neurotic attachments and offer true devotion and service to my loved ones.

I believe that joy is the emotional and physical experience of divinity.  The energy of joy is peaceful and powerful. 

What do you think about joy?

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Re: JOY [Re: Veritas]
    #4359683 - 07/01/05 03:22 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

"I want more Joy fucker" :heart:  I took some liberties with a line from Bladerunner here. :grin:

YES! I agree! and am beginning to experience this in my life. When I first felt Joy/Bliss, I was amazed at how I didn't need to try and hold it but immediately wanted to share it with everyone. I felt the utmost empathy and connection for my world and its joyful and suffering creatures. I felt that we were all one and I wasn't better or more than anyone else. I just wanted to give. Joy is like that. :heart: :thumbup:


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Re: JOY [Re: Veritas]
    #4359688 - 07/01/05 03:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Are there pre-requisites for expirencing "joy" ?


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Re: JOY [Re: psyka]
    #4359696 - 07/01/05 03:27 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Just being alive!


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Re: JOY [Re: Veritas]
    #4359719 - 07/01/05 03:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Joy is love manifested. :heart:


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Re: JOY [Re: dorkus]
    #4359785 - 07/01/05 03:49 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup: :heart: YES!


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Re: JOY [Re: Icelander]
    #4359875 - 07/01/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The Belly-Laugh Revolution

Boogily doogily doo.
I jiggle my tummy when I hug you,
and now your tummy is laughing too! Boogily doogily doo.

We roll on the floor. We can't stand anymore!
Soon the whole room is a-roar. Jiggily jiggily,
we're all feeling tingily. Now everyone in the
house is acting so sillily. Boogily doogily doo.

The cats start meowing. The dogs start howling.
Even the birds get wiggily. No one is safe:
every citizen a certified nut case. Even the doctors
who have lost their patients. Boogily doogily doo.

The UN calls a meeting and asks,
"What should we do?" They try to decide
before the laughter infects them, but it's too late -
the whole world is giggling! Boogily doogily doo.

Now all borders are gone. All the people are fed.
One bouncing planet across the heavens we head.
You can see Earth's ambassadors flying to planets of gloom,
their message of silliness dissolving all taboos:

Boogily doogily doo.
I jiggle my tummy when I hug you,
and now your tummy is laughing too! Boogily doogily doo.



Anami  :heart:


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Re: JOY [Re: dorkus]
    #4359976 - 07/01/05 04:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Excellent!  :rotfl:

Laughter is my prayer, and humor sacred inpiration!!


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Re: JOY [Re: Veritas]
    #4359986 - 07/01/05 04:37 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Is joy different from happiness? I don't think I've ever experienced joy.


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Re: JOY [Re: moog]
    #4360021 - 07/01/05 04:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

According to the dictionary definition, they are synonymous.

I distinguish between spiritual joy and happiness in that the former can exist regardless of circumstances, while the latter has more to do with having some thing/person/situation you want.


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Re: JOY [Re: Veritas]
    #4360056 - 07/01/05 04:49 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I really think the dictionary is wrong. :grin:

Joy is like bubbles. It is like a warm burst of amaZZZing energy spiralling through us. It is the stuff ecstacy and bliss are made of.

When in true joy, I actually love my neighbour as myself.


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Re: JOY [Re: dorkus]
    #4360064 - 07/01/05 04:50 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

That being said, the experience of joy is a state of happiness. But sometimes i am happy without being joyful.


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Re: JOY [Re: dorkus]
    #4360108 - 07/01/05 04:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I agree that joy is different. It is much more intense, and not centered on anything in particular. Happiness is quieter, and I don't feel it throughout my body, mostly just a warm sensation in my chest. Joy is a full-body, energizing, multi-layered experience.


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Re: JOY [Re: Veritas]
    #4361276 - 07/01/05 11:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Joy is sublime! Joy is more important to me that mere happiness. Joy emanates from my Heart - it may go to my Head initially but as long as it retreats back to my Heart it sustains me in the middle of pain, distress, duress, grief and fear. It allows me to joke with my physician in the midst of a possible life-threatening condition. 'Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, thou art with me...' Joy.


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Re: JOY [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4373022 - 07/05/05 07:26 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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The first question was, "Did you bring joy?" The second was, "Did you find joy?"




How do you bring joy to your work, Markos? I have read the details in your previous posts, and it sounds like a challenging environment.

Do you think it is possible for us to bring joy to each other, or is that the work of the Divine?


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Re: JOY [Re: Veritas]
    #4374076 - 07/06/05 12:50 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Veritas said:
Quote:

Leo Buscaglia said:
It seems to me that many religious beliefs center on fear of a deity, devoting yourself through hard work/discipline, abstaining from physical pleasures ("sins"), in order to earn a reward.





Egyptians, aren't they the same people that had those slaves... oh yeah the Jews. Must be why the Egyptians came up with a religion that talks all about finding joy while the jews came up with a religion that talks about strict devotion and hard times...


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Re: JOY [Re: FreedomFight]
    #4374581 - 07/06/05 03:36 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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FreedomFight said:
Quote:

Veritas said:
Quote:

Leo Buscaglia said:
It seems to me that many religious beliefs center on fear of a deity, devoting yourself through hard work/discipline, abstaining from physical pleasures ("sins"), in order to earn a reward.




Egyptians, aren't they the same people that had those slaves... oh yeah the Jews. Must be why the Egyptians came up with a religion that talks all about finding joy while the jews came up with a religion that talks about strict devotion and hard times...




hahahahahahahaha makes alot of since


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Re: JOY [Re: Veritas]
    #4375159 - 07/06/05 11:06 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

"Joy is true sadness"
-Unknown :P


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Re: JOY [Re: FreedomFight]
    #4375206 - 07/06/05 11:37 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I suppose that you neither know anything about historical Judaism, nor do you know any practicing Jews, but simply have some stereotype engram in place instead of a thinking process.

BTW, despite the Book of Exodus, I have been told by world famous Egyptologist Dr. Bob Brier (a former prof of mine) that there is no evidence among Egyptian artifacts that establishes that the Hebrews were employed, en masse, as slaves. For sure, they had no part in pyramid building.

The dynasties of ancient Egypt are numerous and whereas the human experience of joy was variously identified as an attribute of different deities, there is none which stand out as specific personifications of Joy. The general focus was on the Life, Death and Resurrection in the Afterlife. As to hard laws, killing a common cat could result in the death penalty (as cats were sacred to Bast/Bastet, Sekmet). Moral training as elaborated by the Hebrews could also bring the death penalty (adultery, beastiality) but, it is at the bottom of our modern day ethics and morality, not cat-lovers.


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Re: JOY [Re: Veritas]
    #4375235 - 07/06/05 11:55 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

On certain occasions, rare it is true, I have involved people who have experienced some kind of trauma in an interaction at the end of which the person paused and said: "I forgot why I was here talking with you!" In the midst of being empathic, the reality is that these people not only survived an incident, but in having gotten really into the moment through our discussion, they realized that in-that-moment...they were OK, fine, without pain. Only when they remembered why we were talking, when memory of the event returned to self-consciousness did the psychological pain resume.

The factor that I believe is responsible for lifting people out of their 'suffering cerebration' is a predominating presence of Joy that I keep aware of inwardly (the Heart Cave). It is communicated as a kind of 'infrastructure' that elevates and detaches us from the symptomatic pain. Focusing on the painful event doesn't help, and, it is past. Joy extricates the individual's consciousness to its clinging to the past which is painful. It is a 'skillful means' that I've learned from the East. I believe that Love resting in itself is Joy, when it motivates to help it becomes 'Compassion in Action.'


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