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Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead
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These are fictional/mythical books written by then living people. Why do modern people place stock in such silliness just because it is ancient? There are a million ancient things that believers reject, why are these books embraced?

(Icelander you are banned from answering! :nonono:)


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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
These are fictional/mythical books written by then living people. Why do modern people place stock in such silliness just because it is ancient? There are a million ancient things that believers reject, why are these books embraced?

(Icelander you are banned from answering! :nonono:)

You don't haveto agree with certain beliefs to obtain it's wisdom :shrug:  Whether or not it's true, it's wisdom is valuable...

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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: iDmt]
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iDmt said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
These are fictional/mythical books written by then living people. Why do modern people place stock in such silliness just because it is ancient? There are a million ancient things that believers reject, why are these books embraced?

(Icelander you are banned from answering! :nonono:)

You don't haveto agree with certain beliefs to obtain it's wisdom :shrug:  Whether or not it's true, it's wisdom is valuable...



How is wisdom that is "not true" valuable?  It would seem to me that this a contradiction in terms, so I can't understnad what your basis for this conclusion is (that and the fact you fail to offer any).

I imagine a big part of the attraction to these types of things is the esoteric nature of them.  People seem to value cultural products foreign to their own more strongly than they otherwise would.  Kind of strange considering the other xenophobic reactions to unfamiliar cultures that people have- I suppose the culture would have to be one the person is either allready enamored with or one they are ignorant of.

For example, all the eastern medicine and knowledge bullshit that people like to hear about and strain to justify and explain away its faults.  Why do these same people not give two shits about the bible, generally?  Its part of their culture, so they don't like it.  But offer someone the text of some eastern religion and suddenly its wisdom of the ancients.

Perhaps its simply a result of ignorance tending to shield the person from the obvious problems and falsities in the sources.  For example, you don't see too many people who know anything about chemistry value the water-healing guy who talks to ice, but somehow those ignorant of chemistry like that crap sometimes. 

I suspect this is the basis for much of the esoteric sources and teachings people around here and elsewhere seem to buy into.  It certainly facilitates the use of these concepts in new age bullshit.

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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: iDmt]
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The Bible was written by living people, and look how many people believe in that.

And I guess when it comes down to it, there has never been a book written by a dead person.
Overall I guess logic wins out. How can anyone truly know what lies on the other side, until they are actually there?


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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: johnm214]
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It's a cultural system made to help those still alive cope with the loss and those on their death beds to die in peace. It has plenty of use, true or not.

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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
These are fictional/mythical books written by then living people. Why do modern people place stock in such silliness just because it is ancient? There are a million ancient things that believers reject, why are these books embraced?

(Icelander you are banned from answering! :nonono:)


I think there's something about aetiology.. Some slants on christianity speak of the world being only 6,000 years old; the evidence of fossils contradicts this so readers of such books may find more comfort in knowing that the Tibetan and Egyptian books might have more credence down to their perceived age and weight


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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said:
It's a cultural system


True, but I think that's part of the problem too.


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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: wildernessjunkie] * 1
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What problem? :stoned:

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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: PatrickKn]
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The way I see it, there is a problem stemming between "Cultural" and "Spiritual".

When people go to church, I believe it is a cultural or social function. It has very little to do with what is printed in the text of the Bible. The literal meaning has been twisted to conform to the interpretation of society. If the Bible were to be followed in the way it was written, there is no way in hell it would be accepted in modern society.

Socially, what has been translated (incorrectly in some cases), would be absolutely unacceptable to us. But then again, often the view or information presented by the "church" are in conflict with what the "word" of the Bible states.

Are the followers of the church supposed to go by what others tell them? Or by what the good book says?




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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: wildernessjunkie]
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"Good Book" meaning, not what I advocate BTW.


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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: wildernessjunkie]
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I agree with your statements about the bible. There are passages telling you how and when to beat your slaves and stoning people to death.

I also agree however with the other statement in this thread of how do we know whats on the other side until we get there.


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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
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OrgoneConclusion said:
These are fictional/mythical books written by then living people. Why do modern people place stock in such silliness just because it is ancient? There are a million ancient things that believers reject, why are these books embraced?

(Icelander you are banned from answering! :nonono:)



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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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i read the Tibetan Book of the Dead.  If you're open to the idea of reincarnation it's very interesting and gives much food for thought about how you are living your current life.  Even if you don't want to believe in reincarnation you could still read it as an allegory of transition from one psychological identity to another, which happens frequently in this life.  There is much to be learned from that book.  Plus it's trippier than fuckin fractal monkeys living in a glass castle


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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
These are fictional/mythical books written by then living people. Why do modern people place stock in such silliness just because it is ancient? There are a million ancient things that believers reject, why are these books embraced?



Just to piss you off, I'm pretty sure. The Egyptians knew that creating a god with a dog head would ruffle the feathers of contemporary atheists.


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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: gluke bastid]
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Finally, a response that makes sense! :thumbup:


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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I never read the original Tibetan Book of the Dead, but I like "The Psychedelic Experience" by Leary, Metzner, and Alpert, which is supposed to be an adaptation for a western audience. I think it's available online on Erowid. They do make it very clear however that they don't think it has anything to do with any afterlife. Quote:

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Under the guise of a science of death, the Bardo Thodol reveals the secret of life; and therein lies its spiritual value and its universal appeal.


The "Three Bardos" model is about as useful as Leary's "Eight Circuits" model. Neither of them is the whole truth, but such models are still useful, as shared virtual projection surfaces if nothing else.

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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
iDmt said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
These are fictional/mythical books written by then living people. Why do modern people place stock in such silliness just because it is ancient? There are a million ancient things that believers reject, why are these books embraced?

(Icelander you are banned from answering! :nonono:)

You don't haveto agree with certain beliefs to obtain it's wisdom :shrug:  Whether or not it's true, it's wisdom is valuable...



How is wisdom that is "not true" valuable?  It would seem to me that this a contradiction in terms, so I can't understnad what your basis for this conclusion is (that and the fact you fail to offer any).


Well for one, I do not share the beliefs the bible holds, but I have learned plenty from it.  When I read books like these I take it's content as more of ideas then what is strict and necessary.  Then one can filter out what they think should be used in context or not.  Wisdom doesn't  necessarily mean "truth"...  But i'm not going to try to explain it.  I'm not really one to debate.

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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: iDmt] * 1
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iDmt said:
I'm not really one to debate.

Then why the hell are you posting in a debate forum? :flowstone:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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There is a reason why such books survived a long period of time. My guess is because they worked. I am not sure in what, but they worked.

I have read many ancient texts, stories and such and honestly I don't know weather to believe them or not, because really I don't know the truth. All I know is what is most important in my life. Everything else I take it as it is.



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Edited by zZZz (08/12/11 05:03 PM)

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Re: Egyptian and Tibetan Books of The Dead [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
iDmt said:
I'm not really one to debate.

Then why the hell are you posting in a debate forum? :flowstone:


what's wrong with me just throwing out my input? :rolleyes:

Edited by iDmt (08/12/11 06:26 PM)

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