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InvisibleSmack31
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what were the egyptians smoking??
    #859451 - 09/02/02 07:02 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

over the last year and a half i have read a lot about the ancient egyptians and their religion and the connections with the heavens. so how did this all come together? did they build stories around the characters they created out of the stars, or did they draw out the characters based off of the stories? why were the egyptians so fasinated with the heavens?

i've seen so many different sites and read so many different articles... i've literally sat in the middle of my room with these articles that i printed spread out all around me trying to organize everything and piece it all together... i guess i'm hoping somebody knows some thing about this and can simplify it a bit. i realize that the questions are vague, but anything on the subject matter is welcome.


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #859567 - 09/02/02 07:58 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

my favorite egyptian diety is Bast.  :wink:


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #859586 - 09/02/02 08:03 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

The Egyptian Myth Stories and its Culture before they were conquored by Rome, are my faveorite. I have been a student of them for years, and I am continually surprised at their astounding achievements.

The Egyptians were great builders, but I believe they were in close contact with Scholars from neighboring Mesopotamia, or Aliens, it depends onwho you ask.
They learned measurements/angles/geomotry from them, applying it to their structures. As time went on, and improvements were made, nature tested they power of the designs, ultimatley deciding which would stand. Luckily  they were successful , and we now have the handful of great relics that pepper the Nile Valley.

The Egyptians did engage in smoking herbs reminicent marajuana, I do not know the particular genus of the plant. There were also traces of a cocaine like substance found in skin samples of mummies. If it was used as medicinal or recreational is still undetermined. I saw this evidence on a Discovery Channel Special a few yrs back. They also reported on a particualr lotus, now extinct, used as a drug. It is  believed they filled jugs with wine, and let the flowers steep, as to infuse the draught with its opiate effects. Sounds good to me :laugh:
Jeremy Nadyler -"Temple of the Cosmos" and Bob Brier (assorts titles) are two great authors who have researched the earlier findings of E.A. Budge (the British historian, who created most of our modern views of egypt today) and restudied, re-translated his findings, revealing a lot of the flaws in Budges translations, as well as his personal 'flubs' due to religious dogma, which prohibited him to 'believe' savages could create such beauty (this is an except from his writings, not my words.)
I am remiss, for I do not have the exact quote, nor the place I pulled it from, so please do not take my word for it. Read Budge, then compare/contrast to Joseph Campell, Brier, and Naydler-

If you truly want to know the Egyptians, you have to begin at the beginning. I am lucky to have the MET Museum (NYC) at my disposal, where I can view actual relics at my lesiure.

Ahhh, ok, Im rambling. the Egyptians or Tammerians (of two lands) have captivated me like no other Ancient Culture.
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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #860303 - 09/03/02 12:01 AM (19 years, 30 days ago)

If you haven't already, the Egyptian series novels by Wilbur Smith are a top read

River God, The Seventh Scroll and Warlock


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #860471 - 09/03/02 02:04 AM (19 years, 30 days ago)

They got into using Amanitas too. I read once that they had specially designed sensory deprivation tanks they would float in for 3 days while on their amanita journey. the article said their trip was seen as a form of death and rebirth.


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #862066 - 09/03/02 05:44 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

no


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mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #862127 - 09/03/02 06:25 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

i've read the article he is talking about... what exactly are you saying no too? is it wrong?


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #862249 - 09/03/02 07:32 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

Samck, hes trying to remain mysterious by responding with one word answers.
:smirk:-OoD
I however, would love to talk with anyone about egypt and her ancient culture, or religious myths.
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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Anonymous]
    #862264 - 09/03/02 07:40 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

will you have my children?


errr... yeah. egyptians. i don't have anything intelligent to say at the moment (or ever :wink:) and i can't think of any questions, but if you feel like typing i'll read it. :grin: 


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #862266 - 09/03/02 07:42 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

:blush:


:smirk:-oOd


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #862479 - 09/03/02 10:09 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

I question the veracity of the thought that egyptians used amanities.


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"larry the scary rex
verily scary when thoroughly vexed
invoke the shadows and dust, cast a hex
mercifully massacring memories masterfully
relocate from Ur to 8th density and become a cosmic bully
mulder and scully couldn't decipher his glyphs
invoke the shadows and dust, smoke infernal spliffs"
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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #862519 - 09/03/02 11:08 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

Egyptians actaully smoke Opuim. no lie, look up the history of opium at ...

www.erowid.com


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #862604 - 09/04/02 01:01 AM (19 years, 29 days ago)

Actually it is believed by some that the ancient egyptions and several other ancient cultures made up gods for certains things they had no explanations for such as death and life which does seem to make sense they couldn't quite figure out how life was created or why it came to pass so they created Anubis he is the god of death so in reality their gods were in fact just concepts to explain the inexplainable because although the Gods were important they were never put on the same level as GOD because you see the egyptions did actually believe in one god this god was immortal, invisible, eternal, and almighty.It was he who made the heavens, the earth, and underworld; he was also the creator of the sky and the sea, men and women, animals and birds, trees and plants.

This gods name was Neter he is depicted as an axe-head, let into a long wooden handle this occurs usually on the top of the people indicated that he is over all. It is said that he predates the God of the Gods called Ra or in fact might just be another form of Ra he is also called Khepera Kheper-Tchesef and is sometimes represented by the scarab beatle which usually sits above his head it is said that he is the Father of Gods and is ultimately THE GOD and is above them all supposedly the egyptions never put any god to his level and another theory is that Ra came into being under the form of Khepera

With all of this in mind I can only demise in my own opinion that the egyptions later created the pictures in the stars from the gods that were created thus would explain why the pyramids were built later on to be in a direct correlation to the stars although our earths rotation has changed over the centuries knocking this balance off from it's original position it is expected that we will re-enter the same position we were in then at one time or another the exact date I have no idea haha I think this is called the stargate(can't remember the name though but it does go hand in hand with the tv show stargate) there is a reason it's called that:).


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Anonymous]
    #862936 - 09/04/02 07:11 AM (19 years, 29 days ago)

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the exhibit at the MET. I have been meaning to go back there for a very long time. Perhaps I will sometime during September! I've been studying ancient egypt since I was 11.

As a side note, I heard the MET has another amazing exhibit right now entitled "People" or something similar.


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #863872 - 09/04/02 05:18 PM (19 years, 28 days ago)

Stop pimpin' out your children!


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #863887 - 09/04/02 05:28 PM (19 years, 28 days ago)

De egyptians was smokin crack! dis i knows for a fact!


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #863908 - 09/04/02 05:41 PM (19 years, 28 days ago)

Mushrooms And Mankind : Page 6
i think this is the article i was remembering.  i read it a looong time ago so my memory wasn't very sharp.  this one nevery actually says they have proof of the egyptians using amanitas but it points out many instances of mushroom influences in hieroglyphics inside the pyramids.  it even has the part about the tanks  :laugh: 


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: uno]
    #864155 - 09/04/02 07:48 PM (19 years, 28 days ago)

Uno,
I too am enamoured with the MET's Egyptian Wing.
And I have been studying/exploring Egyptian culture/myth since I was 19.
-OoD :smile: 


Edited by OracleOfDelphi (09/04/02 11:02 PM)


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #864499 - 09/04/02 11:18 PM (19 years, 28 days ago)

'...And they came from as far away as Persia, to bring Gifts to Her. Worship her, Adore Her. MauBast, a Golden Cat. Sister to Asuet, lover of Ptah, Mistress of Magic, the Sistrum Bell.

She is the fullest Moon, the Dancer's step, the Artist's ochre. The sated belly. To know pleasure, is to know Her Arts.

Though I am QueenPharoah, Her Throne governs my blue vein, my golden diadem...'

-OoD


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #864707 - 09/05/02 05:16 AM (19 years, 28 days ago)

This is one of the most interesting threads imho. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to come up with proven conclusions, because there is almost no evidence to prove anything. Unfortunately for all of us who had studied Ancient Egypt?s philosophy, their civilization vanished and those last Egyptians who knew, took their knowledge with them on their graves, when Egypt was invaded.

It is important to concentrate on the following fact: Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece and Ancient Babylonia were at many points cross-linked.

This help us, because we can study Ancient Greek manuscripts and some Ancient Babylonian facts, both of them cover a lot and then compare our results with Ancient Egypt?s papyrous
which unfortunately dont cover in such details the use of sacred plants or potions.

Albert Hoffmann had stated that he believed "Kykeon" (the magical potion that the Mysts were drinking at the Sacred Rituals at Eleusinian Mysteries, Ancient Greece) was in fact ERGOT RYE, where lysergic-acid [lsd] can be extracted. According to the Homeric Hymn to Demeter (she was the Godess of cultivation), the man who was the head of the ceremony, was ?blessing? the wheat with a bunch of grass. According to Hoffmann, that man was in fact innoculating the wheat with the fungus...

Again in the Homeric Hymn, there is a description how participants felt when they were drinking the sacred potion (Kykeon): they felt a fear and a trembling in the limbs, vertigo, nausea and a cold sweat before the vision dawned in the darkened chamber. Does this sound familiar to anyone? :wink: Then the ancient Greek mysts were witnesses of a play by no actors but phantasms, ghostly apparitions, in particular the spirit of Persephone itself (the daughter of Demetra and the reason the ceremony was about).

So we come up with the assumption that ergot rye was probably the secret ingredient of Kykeon. Now lets see what R Gordon Wasson states about the mysteries of Babylonia (another vanished civilization). He states that after examinations of archeological remains, their mysteries seem to be of psychedelic nature induced by an ergot that grew on cereal crops; participants in the mysteries consumed a drink that contained similar non-secret ingredients such as Kykeon: barley water and mint. So we can figure out that Kykeon was NOT a Greek invention; it had came from another, older mystic civilization and that is why it was managed to be kept as a secret for ever.

Now its time to compare our results with a very interesting passage from the Papyrous of Ani (which was a Book of the Dead). For those who dont know, the Book of the Dead was accompanying every dead man as instructions how his soul can survive from the dangers of the other-world.

Tuat was the other-world for the Egyptians. On the Papyrous of Ani, in the Sixth section of the Tuat, it describes among other things that there are twelve Gods engaged in the cultivation of wheat, which is here called "the body and members of Sar" -- (Sar is the Osiris in mummy form wearing the double crown and holding and in his hands). It also says the unbelievable passage: "the beings who ate this wheat ate the body of their God" (Prof. Wiedermann has collected a number of important facts on this subject in his valuable paper ?Osiris Vegetant?, but i havent found it anywhere... if anyone can find it please pm me). The papyrous also says that this wheat was the "plant of Truth" and the eaters of the Divine wheat became Truth, even as he was!!!

So we can say that the use of wheat (or other cereals) which were carrying the ergot rye was a known practice to ancient Babylonians and then Greeks. Wheat was also known to ancient Egyptians; the previous passage proves that they not only knew common wheat but also ?Divine wheat?. Combining my assumptions, i could say that ancient Egyptians were using ergot rye [--> lysergic acid], probably among many other psychoactive substances.

I am looking forward to reading any comments on my assumptions.

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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: kykeon]
    #865120 - 09/05/02 10:00 AM (19 years, 27 days ago)

Do you even trip off the ergot alone, though?

thought it had to be sythesized and all that good stuff before it could have the effects of our modern day LSD...

but then again i have no idea


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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Grav]
    #867278 - 09/06/02 01:41 PM (19 years, 26 days ago)

The assumption that the Divine Wheat of the Egyptians was an ergot is mine and may be wrong, but what i wrote about 'Kykeon' was said at first by A. Hoffmann :

"There was claims that the ingredients for the makeup of kykeon was water, barley and a mint. However, few believed this recipe since it was apparent that the kykeon was a psychoactive beverage. For many years, several species of psychoactive mushrooms were believed to be the key ingredient to this sacrament. However, in their book Road to Eleusis, Wasson, Hofmann and Ruck believed that the key ingredient was from an extract of ergot. " taken from 'Ergot of Rye II: The story of LSD' http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty/wong/BOT135/LECT13.HTM

"Ancient Greek midwives used to give an ergot-based, gruel-like drink, called kykeon, to their patients about to give birth. Kykeon was also consumed during the autumn Eleusinia, the ancient Greek agricultural festival celebrated in honor of the goddess of agriculture, Demeter." taken from 'How the US Goverment created the drug problem in USA' http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/kreca1.html

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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #867300 - 09/06/02 02:00 PM (19 years, 26 days ago)

I dunno if you have read that article on the Lycaeum http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10494 which seems quite rational, although i think that the author should have put an end to his theory a little sooner. He claims that ?Manna? on the Bible, that God gave to Moses from heavens, after their Exodus, was in fact psychoactive mushrooms.

We all know that Moses was NOT a Hebrew, but an Egyptian priest. Therefore, we can make another assumption that Moses knew about magical shroomies since his staying in Egypt?

I know its kind of assumption to an assumption? :wink:

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Re: what were the egyptians smoking?? [Re: Smack31]
    #867878 - 09/06/02 09:11 PM (19 years, 26 days ago)

Here's sacred geometry being used to age wine.

http://www.summerhill.bc.ca/pyramid.html

An exact replica of a pyramid (much smaller scale) was built to test the theory. I was told the company spent a million bucks to do it. I just recently toured the pyramid, sampled the purported pyramid-aged wine, and couldn't tell the difference. I'm no wine connosieur but I do love (purrrrr) the ICE wine.. Wine that only a few countries like Canada can produce it.



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