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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3730516 - 02/04/05 01:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Egyptians, are people living in Egypt.

the people living in Egypt, at the time of the hieroglyphics, are not the people living there today..

egyptians of today, are not the same egyptians.. :P hehe


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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Gomp]
    #3730543 - 02/04/05 01:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

right, I guess that's why they don't know how the pyramids were built. they didn't build them!

I mean, aliens built them anyways, right?

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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3730575 - 02/04/05 01:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

at least, the builders of the pyramids, are alien to us? :wink: he he


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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Gomp]
    #3730608 - 02/04/05 01:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

uh, yeah, that's totally what I meant

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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3730635 - 02/04/05 01:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

:heart:


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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3730639 - 02/04/05 01:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

was there any reason for the Mayans and Egyptians to practice head-flattening? Might it cause the brain to develop in a different way?


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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: MetaShroom]
    #3731157 - 02/04/05 03:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I think it was purely cosmetic in nature.

Why do some tribes stretch their bottom lip out using discs?

Same idea, I suppose.


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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: trendal]
    #3731190 - 02/04/05 03:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh, and we don't see heads like those today because the traditions that created heads like that died off with the Egyptian civilization.

They used to TIGHTLY wrap the heads of some children, which would cause their skull to stretch out like you see in those pictures. Same idea as in asia where some girls feet are wrapped tightly from birth, which can cause the toes to grow back and under the feet.




I've read about this practice before too. The ancients did some weird shit...

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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3732901 - 02/04/05 10:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It is easy for a language to die out when only a few scribes were taught it. Manipulating head shape is fairly commonplace historically. remeber 'Jerimiah Johnson' with Redford when he met the flathead tribe? In reality, those people would have trained infant cranium flat.


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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Cosm]
    #3733826 - 02/05/05 01:55 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Is there strong evidence that head wrapping was practiced in Egypt in those days?

I doubt Froehlich's Syndrome or Marfan's Syndrome is the case.



wow the Egyptians had some great skills in stone engraving and painting.what kind of tools could they have used to do that.

Evidence would suggest to me that they were of a different species.

Something doesn't quite make sense in Egypt.

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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Cosm]
    #3733843 - 02/05/05 02:02 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

There hieroglyphic message must have been really important for them to engrave it into stone so that it would endure all these years.

and the way we learned to read their language was the rosetta stone right, so limited. this was probably written using hieratic hieroglyphics right.so do we really have the means to read what has been written?

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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Cosm]
    #3734038 - 02/05/05 03:43 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

cyber you said you could read hieroglyphics,could you translate this for us all.


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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Cosm]
    #3734388 - 02/05/05 06:15 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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cyber you said you could read hieroglyphics,could you translate this for us all.






That is hieratic, The picture is the left half of plate 8 from "The book of going forth by Day" as written by the scribe Ani

Now do you what the plate translated?

Or do you what the stuff that is circled translated?

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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Cyber]
    #3734428 - 02/05/05 07:05 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, that's my grocery list, where did you find that?


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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Cosm]
    #3735674 - 02/05/05 02:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Cosm said:
There hieroglyphic message must have been really important for them to engrave it into stone so that it would endure all these years.



Indeed it was important. These hieroglyphs were spells to carry the pharaoh safely into the afterlife.

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and the way we learned to read there language was the rosetta stone right, so limited. this was probably written using hieratic hieroglyphics right.so do we really have the means to read what has been written?



Lingustics is a form of science, I'm pretty sure they're able to take the hieroglyphs on the Rosetta stone and trace their origins in other hieroglyphs.


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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Cyber]
    #3735703 - 02/05/05 03:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

translate the whole thing,if its possible and you dont mind.

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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Cosm]
    #3735760 - 02/05/05 03:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Cosm said:
Is there strong evidence that head wrapping was practiced in Egypt in those days?



Indeed there is. It is still practiced in some areas of Africa and South America today.
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I doubt Froehlich's Syndrome or Marfan's Syndrome is the case.



Why? Because it's the most rational explanation, and doesn't have the powerful implications of an extraterrestrial explanation?

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wow the Egyptians had some great skills in stone engraving and painting.what kind of tools could they have used to do that.



Probably the same tools other civilizations have used: chisels, hammers, etc. Look up stone carving, and you should be able to find the answers. Stone carving predates the Egyptians by a long time.

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Evidence would suggest to me that they were of a different species.



No, wishful thinking suggests to you that they were a different species. The evidence shows they were a powerful civilization with advanced art and science. Look up Occam's Razor.

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Something doesn't quite make sense in Egypt.



There's someone here who's not making sense, but it's not Egypt.


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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Silversoul]
    #3735907 - 02/05/05 03:44 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Indeed there is. It is still practiced in some areas of Africa and South America today.
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oh that link is truly convincing

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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Cosm]
    #3736234 - 02/05/05 04:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Here's another website explaing this practice. It's published in part by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, so it's probably pretty credible..

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Re: why did egyptians forget how to write hieroglyphics [Re: Cosm]
    #3740583 - 02/06/05 12:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

That is one of the most famous texts of Egyptian script. You can find the translation on lots of web sites.

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HERE BEGIN THE PRAISES AND GLORIFYINGS OF COMING OUT FROM AND OF GOING INTO THE GLORIOUS KHERT-NETER, WHICH IS IN THE BEAUTIFUL AMENTET, OF COMING FORTH BY DAY IN ALL THE FORMS OF EXISTENCE WHICH IT MAY PLEASE THE DECEASED TO TAKE, OF PLAYING AT DRAUGHTS, OF SITTING IN THE SEH HALL, AND OF APPEARING AS A LIVING SOUL: The Osiris the scribe Ani saith after he hath arrived in his haven of rest- now it is good for [a man] to recite [this work whilst he is] upon earth, for then all the words of Tem come to pass- "I am the god Tem in rising. I am the Only One. I came into existence in Nu. I am Ra who rose in the beginning, the ruler of this [creation]." Who is this? "It is Ra, when at the beginning he rose in the city of Hensu, crowned like a king for his coronation. The Pillars of the god Shu were not as yet created, when he was upon the steps of him that dwelleth in Khemenu. "I am the Great God who created himself, even Nu, who made his names to become the Company of the Gods as gods." Who is this? "It is Ra, the creator of the names of his limbs, which came into being in the form of the gods who are in the train of Ra. "I am he who cannot be repulsed among the gods." Who is this? "It is Temu, the dweller in his disk, but others say that it is Ra when he riseth in the eastern horizon of the sky. "I am Yesterday, I know To-day." Who is this? "Yesterday is Osiris, and To-day is Ra, when he shall destroy the enemies of Neb-er-tcher (the lord to the uttermost limit), and when he shall establish as prince and ruler his son Horus. "Others, however, say that To-day is Ra, on the day when we commemorate the festival of the meeting of the dead Osiris with his father Ra, and when the battle of the gods was fought, in which Osiris, the Lord of Amentet, was the leader." What is this? "It is Amentet, [that is to say] the creation ofthe souls of the gods when Osiris was leader in Set-Amentet. "Others, however, say that it is the Amentet which Ra hath given unto me; when any god cometh he must rise up and fight for it. "I know the god who dwelleth therein." Who is this? "It is Osiris. Others, however, say that his name is Ra, and that the god who dwelleth in Amentet is the phallus of Ra, wherewith he had union with himself. "I am the Benu bird which is in Anu. I am the keeper of the volume of the book (the Tablet of Destiny) of the things which have been made, and of the things which shall be made." Who is this? "It is Osiris. "Others, however, say that it is the dead body of Osiris, and yet others say that it is the excrement of Osiris. The things which have been made, and the things which shall be made [refer to] the dead body of Osiris. Others again say that the things which have been made are Eternity, and the things which shall be made are Everlastingness, and that Eternity is the Day, and Everlastingness the Night. "I am the god Menu in his coming forth; may his two plumes be set on my head for me." Who is this? "Menu is Horis, the Advocate of his father [Osiris], and his coming forth means his birth. The two plumes on his head are Isis and Nephthys, when these goddesses go forth and set themselves thereon, and when they act as his protectors, and when they provide that which his head lacketh. "Others, however, say that the two plumes are the two exceedingly large uraei which are upon the head of their father.





The words that were circled are "Erta" == "To Place" and the second circle is 1/2 of the word "Ki" == "I am"

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