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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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I found this at a site someone here else shared the link to. I enjoyed reading through it's practicality and smart ass wit, especially the part about his "magical weapons".
I thought some others here may enjoy it too!
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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PositiveCynicist Registered: 02/06/05 Posts: 3,546 Loc: California, Mont |
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Great stuff!Funny how to solve it they have to use real examples to justify its bunk premise... I figured they'd at least use magic to explain it.
-------------------- "Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi "We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin "Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers." -It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall. -Substance over Style. -Common sense is uncommon.
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The Minstrel in the Gallery Registered: 03/15/05 Posts: 95,368 Loc: underbelly |
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So what's your take on Chaos Magick ala Peter Carrol? I like the idea of using what works by investing belief and then dropping it when goal is accomplished. My partner and I have been working with this for awhile. Magick is so very practical for spiritual evolution,IMO. It's just using your noggin.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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This is the first and only I have read of this. I was never drawn to magical arts per say. Because I liked the practical approach of another topic this website took, I was curious to see if they did the same with magick.
What this article said is what I relate too and how I apply myself and will to life. I suppose to some, it may look like magick if they do not understand the basic cause and effect principles being applied as discussed in the article. What did you mean by dropping it when the goal is accomplished? I use beliefs as creative crafting tools for shaping and forming realities I want to experience. Is that what you mean by using and dropping them like you would a play dough mold or a paint brush? -------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna. Edited by gettinjiggywithit (04/15/05 08:01 PM)
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The Minstrel in the Gallery Registered: 03/15/05 Posts: 95,368 Loc: underbelly |
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Yes, as you can see, Magick is a very practical approach to life. It is not more mysterious than good psychology once you understand it.
Yes to your last question. If I was trying to accomplish some goal in Magick of which there are many sects and forms that claim to be the best. A Chaos Magician would adopt the one (lets say Wiccan) that has the best framework for accomplishing said goal; invest belief in that framework as if he was a "true believer", and once the goal was accomplished he would drop that belief system and move on without attachment. Ha Ha, you can see Chaos Magick is not popular in many magic circles with totally invested belief in their framework. The Chaos Magician doesn't care for anything but results. Very clean in my opinion.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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Like I said, I never read up on it before. I'm the sort that doesn't bother reading the directions on how to use stuff. I like to feel my way through stuff. Gives me a better fundamental understanding of it for cross applications.
Unlike the Chaos Magician, I don't care for the results as much as I enjoy the process of going through bringing nothing into something. I think the creative process itself will forever fascinate and enchant me, at least the part about the results always being there first. Maybe thats what Merlin was talking about when he said time moves backwards for the magician. Results are fleeting but the process of achieving them always stays with you. When the rabbit comes out of the hat, are we wowed by the rabbit or is the mystery of how it got in there form out of no where that wows us? We don't want to go pet the bunny. We want to know how he made the illusion as if it appeared out of nowhere seem so real and believable. The secret to the trick is, he always had the rabbit, it was always there and just in hiding until it was brought out into the light to be revealed. Ice, do ever consider all that is right out and in there before you that you just haven't shed light on yet or pulled up and out from its hiding place? The other day, I picked up some new plants for my garden, I thought were really unique and cool. So, I'm driving through my subdivision for the millionth time and start noticing this plant in every 10th yard. How didn't I see them before? They were always there. It blows my mind. So, how do you play with energizing and harmonizing creations into manifestations if at all? BTW, I made a few post attempts in the past at teaching others about how to use beliefs as creative tools that you can pick up and drop without being attached to them,when the job is done but breaking the board of the stigma regarding the idea of using beliefs versus being used by them is a toughy. It's as if a spell has been cast or something
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Elder Registered: 12/09/99 Posts: 14,279 Loc: South Florida Last seen: 5 years, 3 months |
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'Magick in Theory and Practice' by Aleister Crowley (which rhymes with 'holy,' since the man himself chose the assumed named for this rhyme). These words were only a 'hook' for the average reader of his time. He used science to hook their 'reason' before drawing the more persistent reader into his non-rational world - the coming Age of Horus. These words are found at the beginning of Crowley's central work (which includes a thin additional volume called 'Book IV') but the remainder of this work gives instructions for the creation of the magickal instruments proper: the circle, the altar, the wand, sword, pentacle, chalice, oil, bell, etc. The work teaches the invoking and banishing pentagrams for each of the cardinal points, the god-forms, the Qabalistic crossing of oneself.
No friend, Crowley didn't demystify magick, he re-revealed magick in the 20th century and attempted to form his own religion in the process. -------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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I've only heard his name before. I know nothing about him, nor will I be looking to know more about him.
I did relate to the practicality of the procession of action that takes place. Sometimes, some of us here talk about creative manifestation and it gets mis interpreted to mean we think we can pull grapes out of thin air or something. In my case, thats not the case. Action of some sort is involved in the process. When the process is explained, it sounds so every day simple, people wonder what the big deal was. The only big deal is how simple creating and the arts of manifesting can be. In this section I posted, I found it funny how he called his pen his "magical weapon" and his every day words "incantations" and his computer and printer his "powerful resource". He put cause and effect into the hands of the reader and through revealing that relationship , I think he demystified the art in just this article for anyone who thought hocus pocus was involved. Some people think there is something mystical about it but once the mist is cleared away to show the process, so is the mysticism of it. Music is a religion for some and its artists the guides. If religion is defined by a group practice of an art then, dance , medicine, science etc are all religions of sorts. What was that comment about this guy I know next to nothing about attempting his own religion of magick suppose to mean to me? I don't even resonate with the word magick. I resonate with creation, creativity, creativeness myself. Where did that word magick even come from? No wonder why some feel isolated from their own creative power, especially when it was labeled under evil and dark arts along the way. One could have called Jesus a white magician. Really, he was just in tune with his creative power. -------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Elder Registered: 12/09/99 Posts: 14,279 Loc: South Florida Last seen: 5 years, 3 months |
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'Jesus the Magician' is a classic book by Morton Smith, and weirdly, the Talmud refers to Jesus as a magician (as well as a mamzer (bastard), an apostate, and some other epithets).
Crowley was adopted by the late 20th century satanist groups and psycho-teens who met under bridge foundations, abandoned buildings and other grotesquely filthy places to kill cats, drink blood and read Crowley aloud. Of course, I myself drew on Crowley when I indulged in ceremonial magick at the age of 18-19. He was dubbed "the wickedest man in the world" at one time, but was soon overshadowed by Hitler who clearly took the title from him. Who else do you know in this century who withdrew from the world to indulge in ancient esoteric lore, wear strange costumes, create strange rituals and have an entourage of female assistants and sex partners (most who go mad or commit suicide), evoke demons in the desert, practic sex magick with male and female assistants, and become a world-class mountaineer to overcome fear of heights - all on inherited money? This of course doesn't include use of a variety of drugs including mescaline in the 1930's, and addiction to heroin and cocaine, getting thrown out of Italy by Mussolini. My own fascination is the amount of study Crowley put into these things. I'm the only person who I know who is mad enough to continue along such lines of study, though I haven't stood in a magick circle in 30+ years. -------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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Was the book "Jesus the Magician" a good read?
I don't know what to say about Crowley. It sounds to me from the article I read, he has some basic principles developed that don't require costumes, sex assistants, sacrifices, etc. I think it's because magick has been associated with these things like in Crowleys case and doing is why it never appealed to me. I never saw it as being necessary. Personally, I think it comes down to a difficulty people have through social or religious conditioning for people to accept their pure, bare naked natural creative power and beingness with no strings attached or props required. We have been raised to believe that power is out there and we have to make deals for it or that strings are always attached with what we receive from life or that all power is corrupt or associated with negative manipulation and is there for bad. I've been working at overcoming that conditioning because in my heart of hearts, I don't believe any of that is the only truth of it. It's a difficult topic to discuss on spirituality message boards because of those negative associations. They need not apply. When you craft clay into a sculpture, you have to manipulate the clay to take shape and form. It's such a benign act in that light. Now apply it to something like getting a better job and the word "witch" comes before craft and the word manipulation becomes something bad and wrong. You have to be so careful with the words you used to not be taken the wrong way. Also, some people believe in a limited supply of energy and therefore believe that to empower yourself creatively and abundantly you have to take it from someone else. Again, my heart of hearts as well as experience tells me there is a limitless supply for all and its just a matter of how much you are willing and able to accept, create additonal space for in your life and manage responsibly. That's an interesting topic in itself. So many are working on bringing lucid dream state instant manifesting abilities into this waking reality yet, it becomes one of those "be careful what you wish for" experiences. Last year around this time some experimental gateways opened for it and stuff that should've taken months to manifest was manifesting within 24 hours. It was to much to fast and to overwhelming. There is a lot to be said about manifestation time between cause and effect being slowed up. I appreciate it better now. Because manifesting takes time is this plane, there is time to change your mind, reconsider, readjust and deal with the side effects you didn't consider would come along with whatever new it was you were bringing into your experience. Consequences come along with cause and effect and that's where responsibility with generating more manifesting power comes into play. I was generating a good run of it about a month ago again and then, things started happening to fast and I backed off from a lot and had to slow it down again. I'm not in the rushes I use to be. There is so much I would enjoy sharing and discussing with others here working on it along the lines of comparing notes. The thing is, we all do it, we just are not conscious of it because of the delay between cause and effect and our conditioning to blame and or give credit away to an external power. The trickiest part for me right now is just maintaining the lucidity to follow through into realization and the management and responsibility of larger volumes of faster moving energy. Doubt from conditioning creeps in and that can throw it all off too. Funny you mentioned a circle. A lot of people in Kauai got the idea to form manifesting groups to help everyone keep focus and amplify the energy for the individuals via the group. They had a lot of success. No dark stuff was involved, just the application of some basic and benign principles that do sound simple in theory yet, give some one a business plan that requires 10 months worth of details to follow to pull it off successfully and few will be able to do it with complete directions because of our negative conditioning. For example, look at how weight loss programs fail. The diet and exercise program is sound and simple, it's the people who can't handle it. Babble babble like a brook I go again.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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The Minstrel in the Gallery Registered: 03/15/05 Posts: 95,368 Loc: underbelly |
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In this section I posted, I found it funny how he called his pen his "magical weapon" and his every day words "incantations" and his computer and printer his "powerful resource". He put cause and effect into the hands of the reader and through revealing that relationship , I think he demystified the art in just this article for anyone who thought hocus pocus was involved.
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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I thought some others here may enjoy it too!
Great stuff!
I figured they'd at least use magic to explain it.
