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Re: Death Morals [Re: Phred]
    #3598012 - 01/08/05 01:11 PM (17 years, 14 days ago)

No, I actually mean that morality is just like rules of a childrens game. Children play it, but they shouldn't kill each other for violating the rules of the game, because they made up these rules, they are not objective.

Morality is "objective" only in the presence of those who believe in it, because it exists only in their minds. It's just made up rules of a game we all play.

Killing the killers may be moral in your morality, but in someones elses it is not. Both of these are subjective opinions.
Where does this objective morality that you speak of come from?
If it comes from human opinions, how can it be objective, or perhapse you believe it is written in our DNA?

There is a choice in life, to work positive (not cause pain, or restrain other people so that they can not grow), or to work negative
(to hurt them, cause them pain), but that's all

There are no objective rules that say if a man does this he deserves this. Or a man should not walk naked on street.

Most of the times, we are thaught at an early age that there are rules and codes around us that we have to follow, but nobody teaches us that these codes are opinions that are supose to help us through the life. No, we are thaught that these rules exist on their own,
and this idea of morality becomes so attached to our core that we
can not see beyond it anymore.

Oround you is a world full of particles that have no stories, have no meaning, have nothing in them. It is up to you to create a meanifull world out of them, you create morality in your mind, you create rules.
As long as there is balance in everything and you keep working together with other people instead of against them.


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OfflineJacquesSauniere
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Re: Death Morals [Re: skystone]
    #3606642 - 01/10/05 04:41 AM (17 years, 12 days ago)

ok so if you do not beleive to kill or punish certain horrific re-offenders such as chill molesters, then what do you suggest we do with them, it has be been proven that these people re-offend even when put in jail, but atleast in jail they cannot molest your little child. you said something about subjective morality but in reality you dont need to teach a child that someone touching them is wrong, some of them if not are effected mentally later on in life and thoughout childhood


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Re: Death Morals [Re: JacquesSauniere]
    #3606729 - 01/10/05 06:06 AM (17 years, 12 days ago)

Forced labour.


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Offlineskystone
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Re: Death Morals [Re: JacquesSauniere]
    #3606890 - 01/10/05 08:05 AM (17 years, 12 days ago)

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JacquesSauniere said:
ok so if you do not beleive to kill or punish certain horrific re-offenders such as chill molesters, then what do you suggest we do with them, it has be been proven that these people re-offend even when put in jail, but atleast in jail they cannot molest your little child. you said something about subjective morality but in reality you dont need to teach a child that someone touching them is wrong, some of them if not are effected mentally later on in life and thoughout childhood




such things are not subjective, it is as clear as a day that a victim is suffering which makes it a negative thing.

I am not saying that there is no right or wrong.
I'm saying that it can be simplified to a qestion, are you helping the creature in life or not.

and forced labor is a good idea, jail is allso good enough,
the procedures are not so negative, I wouln' change much, it's the attitude of people toward criminals that I think is unhuman
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Re: Death Morals [Re: skystone]
    #3607011 - 01/10/05 09:31 AM (17 years, 12 days ago)

i think more its the attitude of people towards certain criminals, i dont beleive in the death penalty but thats not for the reasons the people have given here, eg to not take life away and that it doesnt make it ok.

i just think thats a nice option for the criminal,

pain and suffering ahoy!


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Re: Death Morals [Re: JacquesSauniere]
    #3607396 - 01/10/05 12:55 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

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JacquesSauniere said:
pain and suffering ahoy!




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Re: Death Morals [Re: skystone]
    #3607467 - 01/10/05 01:35 PM (17 years, 12 days ago)

suicide as an option for criminal behaviour is still not good.
certainly not a deterrent to crime.

say someone is f*cked up and wants to do himself in but is scared.
so he kills his neighbour, gets caught and opts for the death penalty.

better not offer such a bad response. the message is "killing is bad, we don't want anyone doing it";

it is only self defence while an aggressor is approaching with the weapon raised. so after capture there is not enough threat to justify; and the example that the justice system does must not send double standard type messages.

In Canada, we have less murder/1000 survivors in total, no death penalty, AND gun laws that are pretty strict. We also do not have the constitutional right to seem viscious (i.e. to bear arms). I think that is a good thing.

looking at the map I think it should be below as it is above.


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