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OfflineTheMagicalMushi
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Mushrooms And The Blind...
    #342985 - 06/17/01 08:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hi, I was watching a show called Inquiring Minds, and they were talking about when you rub your closed eyes and you see those visuals, and it reminded me of the closed eyed visuals you get on mushrooms. They said that even the blind see these visuals when they rub their eyes. So I was just wondering if the blind were to take mushrooms , if they would see closed eye visuals. I know if I were blind I'd want to see anything I could even if I have to use illegal, delcious, mushrooms.

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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: TheMagicalMushi]
    #343257 - 06/18/01 03:22 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm, interesting thought!

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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: TheMagicalMushi]
    #343258 - 06/18/01 03:26 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I read a trip report here on the shroomery from a supposed blind person. I believe it was called something like "Magic Sunday". Though after I read it, I was a bit confused.
How did she write it, if she's blind? How did she find the shroomery? How did she learn to type so well? (No typos, except one). Etc. It was a very nice report/story however.



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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: Phobos]
    #343497 - 06/18/01 11:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

how did s/he find/read the page?... (i'm guessingthis is how he/she did it) there is speech software out there that will read off any given webpage to you... also there could have been a friend that let him/her know.... in addition, as to how he/she typed, did you ever wonder what the hell those little bumpy things on the keyboard are?.... you know, the ones on the "J" and "F" keys? They are FOR blind people. besides, alot of people i know can type FLAWLESSLY (or close to it) without looking at the screen OR the keyboard. these are all just my guesses though.



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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: shellacct]
    #343623 - 06/18/01 03:56 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i once asked a blind person if she has dreams...and if she does then what does she see?...she said she does have dreams..but she doesnt see anything...kinda wierd..like her other senses take over...cuz she said she smells things when shes dreaming...and i also asked a blind man the same question and he quickly said he doesnt have dreams at all..i dont know if thats true, he didnt seem to like me asking him questions hehe



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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: Planet Asia]
    #343666 - 06/18/01 04:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I was thinking that you might only be able to dream if you werent born blind, cuz if youve seen the earth before, or anything you'd think of that in your dreams. If you got blind in an accident i think it might be possible to dream or hallucinate.


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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: TheMagicalMushi]
    #343672 - 06/18/01 04:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

on a similar note, would a blind person be arrested and put in jail for possession of mushrooms?

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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: HB]
    #343764 - 06/18/01 07:40 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

yes, because they dont get any special favours just because they are blind. the police would pobly do a full cavity search just for fun. now thats something a blind man can dream about at night.

There are 3 types of people in this world: Those who can count, and those who can not.

Edited by drunkgoat on 06/18/01 07:41 PM.



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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: TheMagicalMushi]
    #344519 - 06/19/01 06:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i think narc_monkey already covered this topic back in the day, check his post out, alot of interesting ideas.




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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: TheMagicalMushi]
    #345136 - 06/20/01 01:28 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The question of the blind and hallucinogens was one that I had wondered about for a long time. I finally wrote to the national institute of the blind, and they gave me the e-mail address for a guy who knows a bit about this stuff. What he told me was that people who are born blind often develop atrophy in the visual cortex, and thus do not dream/trip/etc visually. Contrary to what the show told you these type of blind people usually do not see spots and what not when they rub their eyes. People who were once sighted ( even if only for a few years) May or may not see in their minds. He said that in his experience blind people have an even more difficult time navigating their environment while under the influence of these drugs, and that the experience can be frightening, etc yadda yadda??.Damn interesting if you ask me.

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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: DXQuack]
    #345173 - 06/20/01 02:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'd assume blind people still hallucinate. They may have auditory tactile or olfactory hallucinations. Same sences may be involved in them dreaming. Also, sometimes, when on shrooms I can perceive things with my eyes closed (I can sometimes navigate the environment and/or feel things around me), so I'd assume these abilities would be all the more natural for blind.

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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: gribochek]
    #345298 - 06/20/01 05:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

one time i was talking to a blind girl, and i told her that whenever she spoke i hade faces and stuck my tounge out. then i asked if that was ok..... she said it was ok, so then i said "thats good to know, but i was just kidding"

heres a dead bird.
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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: TheMagicalMushi]
    #345326 - 06/20/01 05:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

all i can say is, if i became blind, i would kill myself the second i knew. theres nothing to look forward to (both figuratively and literally)...sight is my favorite of senses, and without it i feel like nothing. i even get anxious just keeping my eyes closed! :P

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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: HB]
    #345350 - 06/20/01 06:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

oh come on...kill youself?!!! What a loss that would be. I think it would suck, but it would also be a great oppertunity to experiance the world in a whole new way. Kinda makes you wonder what we are missing now eh?

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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: TheMagicalMushi]
    #345608 - 06/21/01 12:45 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The question is a generilization...."EVERYONE TRIPS DIFFERNTLY" one blind person from birth will still "SEE" differently form another birthed blind. A blind person that has lost sight from accident will see different visions from the same. Hallucinations and visions are independent not group deficient....

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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: egolesss]
    #345867 - 06/21/01 11:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Not true..... all blind people see the same thing......just ask them they will tell you it is true. somthing about monkeys and flaming hoops. http://mypage.uniserve.ca/~sbarclay/xmas.htm

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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: HB]
    #345894 - 06/21/01 11:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

mmmmkay, so go read john varley's _the persistance of vision_



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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: gnrm23]
    #345976 - 06/21/01 01:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I also recently wandered what would happened if you gave a blind person some shrooms. would they hallucinate? I don't know. There's only one way to find it out: finding a blind person and feed him/her shrooms! woul be an interesting experiment.

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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: DXQuack]
    #346250 - 06/21/01 10:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You have got to be joking.........
So all people with vision see the same thing???


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Re: Mushrooms And The Blind... [Re: stefan]
    #347159 - 06/23/01 03:36 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)



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