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Blind people tripping?
    #1696666 - 07/08/03 04:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I was just wondering what it would be like for a blind person to trip. Would they get CEV's? Would the have more auditory hallucinations than most of us? Or even tactile and other sensory hallucinations?


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1696845 - 07/08/03 05:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Yea I've been meaning to post this question. I asked my dad who is a doctor and he thinks most blind people would get CEV's, because they can happen without a functional optic nerve. Input from the optic nerve can influence CEV's, but they are driven by another part of the brain entirely.


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: Noviseer]
    #1696879 - 07/08/03 05:54 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Give some acid to the next blind person you see and follow them around. It's not like they'll see you slipping a micky into their coffee. Don't pet the dog though. The dog is working. And don't dose the frickin dog, that would be cruel.

I guess you could go to your local community college to the special services division. Many blind students take their tests there. Ask them. I used to read to blind students for a community college. One of them claims to have gone blind at a concert after taking acid and then dehydrating. He blames the dehydration, not the acid. Good guy.

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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: RANKSRAGGY68]
    #1696940 - 07/08/03 06:16 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

If they can get CEV's while tripping, you would think they'd have some intense CEV's anyways. (you know like if you stare at something for long enough without blinking you start hallucinating)

i dunno just a theory


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1697248 - 07/08/03 08:38 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

If they were born blind the they would get no forms of visuals. Shrooms can only stimulate areas of your brain that exist, the seeing part doesn't do shit if you never saw anything...

Same w/ completely color blind people, they never see colors.

They have different brains so would trip differently, I read something about it on erowid but theres no way in hell I'm gonna go look for it lol

If you at one time saw then you would get CEVs.


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1697377 - 07/08/03 09:47 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Here's another thread on it.


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1697515 - 07/08/03 10:46 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

this question's been posted a few times..

I believe they would "see" things, but they wouldn't know that they were "seeing things," they would just be experiencing something different.


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1698180 - 07/09/03 02:16 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I should talk to the blind guy in school. Ask if he wants to see again. Drop a few hits in his drink.


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: DailyPot]
    #1698775 - 07/09/03 05:27 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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If they were born blind the they would get no forms of visuals. Shrooms can only stimulate areas of your brain that exist, the seeing part doesn't do shit if you never saw anything...

Same w/ completely color blind people, they never see colors.




...Uh, that's not true.

Most blind people still have the workings in the brain to see -- there's just something fucked up between the brain and the rest of the world. Abstract CEVs would probably occur.

Total greyscale color blindness is, IIRC, extremely rare. Most color blind people can see colors, they just get confused between them.

I say we find a willing, blind-from-birth person and dose them. %)


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: Noviseer]
    #1698812 - 07/09/03 06:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: Xibalba]
    #1698821 - 07/09/03 06:16 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, thinking about that is spinning me out. It also brings me to the question Will Mnakind ever find a new colour? And would we be able to see it if it did?


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: BillMcShroom]
    #1698991 - 07/09/03 09:01 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

ask crayola!


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: erjone]
    #1699354 - 07/09/03 01:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Being blind is a disfunction in the eye not the brain. Their visual part of their brain still works. Colorblind is just when your cones dont work but your rods do. Or some of your cones dont work.
I think the blind person will still feel the effects of mushrooms or cid but i don think they would see anything. They may think they see something.
I dunno. I wish i new blind people


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: Xibalba]
    #1699492 - 07/09/03 02:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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The vision center of the brain is active in completely blind people when they hear sounds or feel shapes... it's being used differently than in a seeing person's brain




This is correct. I have read two different studies that show the occipital lobe rewires itself to process different brain functions when the eyes quit working. The process begins to happen in less than a week.


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: Sev]
    #1700031 - 07/09/03 05:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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...Uh, that's not true.

Most blind people still have the workings in the brain to see -- there's just something fucked up between the brain and the rest of the world. Abstract CEVs would probably occur.

Total greyscale color blindness is, IIRC, extremely rare. Most color blind people can see colors, they just get confused between them.

I say we find a willing, blind-from-birth person and dose them. %)



If the brain doesn't know what its like to see I dont believe it is possible for shrooms to create vision in there brain. The seeing part isn't 'saved' for they eyes, any part of your brain that isn't used ends up getting taken over by other parts.

Total color blindness is extremely rare but I believe experiments have been done on them that shows they dont see color, I read that somewhere on erowid. Since they've never seen color shrooms can make them see it. Shrooms stimulate things that already exist in you. This is in the completely color blind people.

Besides even if they did see (or see color) they wouldn't know so theres not really a good way to find out.

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Wow, thinking about that is spinning me out. It also brings me to the question Will Mnakind ever find a new colour? And would we be able to see it if it did?




I saw 3 new colors while tripping hard hehe. But I cant picture them looking back.. Its like a black void.


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1700716 - 07/09/03 09:46 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I never even thought about that! Im sure they would have a kickass trip though.


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: barfightlard]
    #1701887 - 07/10/03 09:10 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

[quote}"Blind People Tripping?"[/quote}

Well I say they should look where the fuck they are walking.

mj

and that is all I will say about that matter.

Next question?


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1701918 - 07/10/03 09:57 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

We have to make difference in what is to "see" in a ethogen trip.
Most of the visuals are in the "eye" of the mind not the ocular eye.
So I Think a blind person will have the similar cev?s of some one who is not blind.
That in the case of some one that became blind.
Now in the case of some one who is born blind, we will never know what goes on because there will be no way for them to relate the experience, they may see colors and cev's but don?t have a way to relate to the language of those things.
The other possibility that there trips are in audio hallucinations.
I will be very interested to here the experience of a blind person trip.


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: LOBO]
    #1702284 - 07/10/03 01:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

ive read that blind people can indeed 'see things' with hallucinogens , i think the study was dealing with lsd but cevs do happen with blind people, although you may be right that its only people who werent bron blind, but i dont think so


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Re: Blind people tripping? [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #1704844 - 07/11/03 03:47 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I took some shrooms with a blind person once. They were pretty old though and not very potent, but we got kinda high off them. He told me he took shrooms like a year before and black was coming out his eyes. Beats me how he knows what black is.


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