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Tradition cancels out stupidity
    #3416319 - 11/27/04 05:36 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It's that time of the year again, when millions of people go out and cut down Christmas trees to put in their homes. This is great. People cut down perfectly healthy fir trees and keep them alive indoors for a few weeks, and then throw them in the garbage right after the holiday. But of course, not before decorating them with lights and and other tacky ornaments.

This has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever seen, yet most people enjoy this tradition because... well, it's tradition. There's no logic when it comes to tradition. Everybody loves holiday traditions, no matter how little sense they make!

Tradition is just another name for superstition. Traditions and superstitions are the same thing. If you even dare to suggest someone need not put up a Christmas tree to celebrate the holiday, you're a scrooge! "Bah humbug!" Oh no, you can't do that. The holiday just won't be right without it!

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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: ]
    #3416337 - 11/27/04 05:41 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I NEVER kill helpless trees for Christmas. I just puchase a $15.00 non-recyclable artificial tree and dump it in a roadside ditch after Christmas.


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: ]
    #3416347 - 11/27/04 05:42 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

1) there are plastic trees
2) People raise christmas trees for sale. They would not be raised if not for the demand


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: ]
    #3416354 - 11/27/04 05:43 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

in all honesty, i disagree with you.

yeah sure.

maybe your right, but in this gastronomically disgustingly wastefull society, i think this is so trivial it doesnt even hit the radar.

In my household at least, (especially for the little kiddies) the tree is a big part of the atmosphere of christmas, and honestly that atmosphere is one of joy, excitement, love and peace, that lasts for days and lingers for weeks.( We keep our tree up for a couple weeks)

to me, thats more than worth the one tree a year.


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: vampirism]
    #3416373 - 11/27/04 05:47 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not concerned with the life of the trees as much as I am with the fact that decorating a tree with lights and keeping in your home for a few weeks makes absolutely no sense.


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: ]
    #3416376 - 11/27/04 05:47 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I've already got my tree. Kill all the trees! While you're at it cut down a whole damn rain forest!

I guess birthday's are traditions that are stupid because you kill a perfectly healthy cake.  :whip:


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: ]
    #3416410 - 11/27/04 05:52 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"I'm not concerned with the life of the trees as much as I am with the fact that decorating a tree with lights and keeping in your home for a few weeks makes absolutely no sense. "

but if hanging a tree up with lights and ornaments on it makes you and your family happy and makes your christmas better, it makes absolutely perfect sense.

(as much as anything else we do anyways)


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3416433 - 11/27/04 05:56 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

There was a ritual long ago where a group of people would ingest mushrooms(possibly amanita) then dance around a tree, they would cut their genitals off then hang it from the tree.  This is where christmas tree decorations comes from :thumbup:


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: ]
    #3416442 - 11/27/04 05:59 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I like the smell of the tree in the house. Brings back good memories of happy times. I live in Maine, PLENTY of damn Christmas trees right outside.


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: MovingTarget]
    #3416459 - 11/27/04 06:02 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

wow! never thought of it like that, i go into the woods and cut mine down, and then drag it out of the forest, so if it makes you fell anybetter, it is a lot of work to get drag a tree a few miles ^_^
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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #3416461 - 11/27/04 06:02 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I thought this was going to be about something even more stupid.
prolly more than 1/2 of my identity is tangled up with not wanting to be quite as stupid, and the other half has some perspective on it.


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: ]
    #3416619 - 11/27/04 06:45 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

What does make sense in this world? Existence itself can seem rather absurd at times. There is no ultimate "why" to the way things are, except for the meaning you choose to give it. Decorating the Christmas tree has always been a great family tradition for me growing up. There's something pleasant and kind of calming about having the Christmas lights on at night with Christmas songs playing on the stereo and a fire in the fireplace. Sure it doesn't make logical sense, because it appeals to our emotions, not our intellect. I'm sure there are good reasons to oppose the tradition of Christmas trees, but to be against it because it "doesn't make any sense" is pretty non-sensical in itself if you ask me.


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: silversoul7]
    #3416628 - 11/27/04 06:49 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
What does make sense in this world?  Existence itself can seem rather absurd at times.  There is no ultimate "why" to the way things are, except for the meaning you choose to give it.  Decorating the Christmas tree has always been a great family tradition for me growing up.  There's something pleasant and kind of calming about having the Christmas lights on at night with Christmas songs playing on the stereo and a fire in the fireplace.  Sure it doesn't make logical sense, because it appeals to our emotions, not our intellect.  I'm sure there are good reasons to oppose the tradition of Christmas trees, but to be against it because it "doesn't make any sense" is pretty non-sensical in itself if you ask me.




Good post.  :thumbup:

I agree it's non-sensical to oppose something simply because it's tradition. It's like stealing an unlocked bike simply because it was left unlocked.


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: silversoul7]
    #3416671 - 11/27/04 07:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

As long as you remember the decorations are replacing genitals :thumbup:


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: MovingTarget]
    #3416706 - 11/27/04 07:08 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, I'll remember your bullshit story.


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: ]
    #3416717 - 11/27/04 07:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I will you all what tradition remains stupid in light of phones, the internet, automobiles and air travel. The sending of Christmas Cards!

It's not like mail is the only way to keep in touch with distant relatives anymore. When I lived within 20 miles of all my family and saw everyone all of the time and for the holidays, we all still sent eachother christmas cards. :crazy: What a stupid pain in the ass waste of time and money.

We can buy fake trees, I do, and christmas trees are special grown and replanted for christmas. It's the damn christmas cards contributing to the loss of the rain forests.

All in all I'm shmutzy for christmas like the others here. Give me a cozy Norman Rockwell christmas and I'll be diggin it! I create them for my daughter because I have magical memories of child hood christmas's and I wish those for her as well.

Christmas to me is for the kids. I don't need the hasles anymore, but I'm glad people did hassle for it when I was young and in memory of that, I'll do the same for kids of today.

I talk to some people who don't have cozy magical holiday family memories and it's understandable why they see it as being one big stupid pain in the ass.

I'll make this comment, most hard core new agers I know shun the traditional holidays. They feel our priorities are in the wrong place and the whole originating sentiment of them has been lost to gross comercialism. I can agree with that. I also can't find it in my heart and soul to tell my daughter "There will be no christmas for you!"

I just deleted a long babble about invoking the spirit of wonder and joy:tongue:

All I really wanted to say was, Christmas cards are evil! :mad2:


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: silversoul7]
    #3416765 - 11/27/04 07:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I didnt make that up man :laugh:

I think it might have been a pagan ritual


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: ]
    #3416811 - 11/27/04 07:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, let's forget about the hundreds of millions of animals we torture, mutilate, rape, and slaughter just to get a little taste bud action. Trees should be saved first.


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: MovingTarget]
    #3416814 - 11/27/04 07:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I think you're mistaken. I've read plenty about ancient pagan traditions, but nothing involving the ornamentation of trees with mutilated genitals.


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Re: Tradition cancels out stupidity [Re: Mike_Ologist]
    #3416827 - 11/27/04 07:34 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I know, we can take all of the un eaten fruit cake bricks and build homes for the homeless with them. Do you know that 320 million fruit cakes are sold every christmas? Who eats those lead bombs?


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