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OfflinePookztA
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Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked?
    #4712262 - 09/26/05 01:02 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

according to James Arthur's research, the tradition of putting christmas presents under a christmas tree was formed from the frequent tasks of shaman's (even shaman's closely related to St.Nicholas, linking this back to christmas) who were sent out to gather sacks full of the Amanita Muscaria (spiritual / magic mushroom) that would grow under the boughs of Coniferous trees after a night of rain / dewwing. The moisture would cause the mushrooms to grow under the coniferous tree, as this is the tree in which the network of mycelium usually was connected to. So around christmas time, the rain would bring these spiritual mushrooms, the shaman's would fill their sacks, dressed in traditional shamanic robes of Red and White (hence, Santa's robe). I am in NO WAY an expert, a philosopher, or anything like that, but i have been reading alot about past links of religion and culture to mushroom use, and i thought that this was interesting. ask your self, why the fuck do we put presents under a coniferous tree each year? this would help to partially serve as an explanation according to extensive research from entheomycologists, such as James Arthur.

anyone interested should but the book:

Mushrooms and Mankind: The Impact of Mushrooms on Human Consciousness and Religion by James Arthur.

what do u all think of this? anyone have more information?


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: PookztA]
    #4712278 - 09/26/05 01:06 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Merry Fucking Xmas! :thumbup: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :santaclaus: :santaclaus: :santaclaus: :santaclaus: :santaclaus: :cubie: :mushroomgrow: :mushroomgrow: :cubie: :scaryshroom: :scaryshroom: :foshizzle:


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: Icelander]
    #4712787 - 09/26/05 03:45 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I remember seeing something about that in the Psychedelic Encyclopedia also. Or maybe it was McKennas FOTG


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: PookztA]
    #4712961 - 09/26/05 07:21 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/dec99.html

Merry Christmas. Check this out.


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4712968 - 09/26/05 07:33 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

not sure of the relationship, but...

whoever came up with the story of a jolly elf flying through the sky on a sled pulled by flying reindeer, and climbing down your chimney to bring you presents...

that guy had to be tripping :laugh:


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: PookztA]
    #4713070 - 09/26/05 09:29 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Some interesting concepts there...

I won't comment on the accuracy of the concepts, because I have no idea...

However, I have seen many connections drawn between Christianity and mushroom consumption. I think it is very likely that psychedelic compounds were an essential ingredient in the development of just about all modern spiritual belief systems.


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: PookztA]
    #4713142 - 09/26/05 10:07 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

No wonder I love Christmas so much.


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4713153 - 09/26/05 10:17 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

You have the best links ever! :thumbup:


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: MJF]
    #4713714 - 09/26/05 01:14 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Cool link, interesting thought :o)

I could be wrong here, but didn't St. Nicholas originally dress in green until the Coca Cola corporation redesigned him wearing red and white for use as a marketing tool? That's what i was told anyway...

JacquesCousteau, you said that:
"However, I have seen many connections drawn between Christianity and mushroom consumption. I think it is very likely that psychedelic compounds were an essential ingredient in the development of just about all modern spiritual belief systems. "

In Terence McKenna's book Food of the Gods, he suggests that Christianity was developed by dominator-style culture as the result of a LACK of consumption of mushrooms and other spiritual sacrements. I think, given the nature of Christianity, that he was probably right. While i definitely agree that psychedelic compounds are likely to have played major roles in the development of many spiritual belief systems, i'm rather curious as to the connections you mentioned between mushroom consumption and Christianity in particular. Could you give a few examples of what you mean?

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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: Dfekt]
    #4713984 - 09/26/05 02:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

" didn't St. Nicholas originally dress in green until the Coca Cola corporation redesigned him wearing red and white for use as a marketing tool? That's what i was told anyway..."

i heard that same thing from my teachers in behavioral science class.. very recently in fact.

and you know how teachers are never wrong.. haha.


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #4714680 - 09/26/05 04:09 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

How about this take on early Christians and mushrooms?

C:\Documents and Settings\Mark & Rose\My Documents\A. Muscaria in Basilica.htm


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: PookztA]
    #4714726 - 09/26/05 04:16 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know anout all of that stuff. It sounds unlikely, but Christmas morning is great time to eat about 8 grams.


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4714837 - 09/26/05 04:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

One time when I was tripping my whole field of vision filled itself with red crosses like I drew in this picture. So now I have a tendency to believe that mushrooms and Christ are connected in some way.



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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: blowback]
    #4715289 - 09/26/05 06:03 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Once when I was tripping my whole vision filled with naked women...does this mean that naked women are integral to my religion or in any way connected to mushrooms?


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4715304 - 09/26/05 06:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

OOOH!  Goddess worshipper!  :rofl:


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: Veritas]
    #4716427 - 09/26/05 09:11 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know about that, but I have been known to worship the female "form".


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4716550 - 09/26/05 09:39 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the link. :smile:


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Re: Christmas and Mushrooms? how are they linked? [Re: Androctonus]
    #4716754 - 09/26/05 10:22 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)



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