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Traditions
    #4116751 - 05/01/05 12:08 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

What do all think about traditions? Are the good for bonding or a silly pain in the ass?


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116775 - 05/01/05 12:16 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I realized I should've shared first. I'm not into them but go along if people I care about are and it means something to them.

I think they are just a way for people to hold on to the past or a means of attempting to recapture the past.

Is it healthy do that and if so how?

Can it be seen as sort of like a ball and chain binding you to repetition keeping you from "new creative expression being inspired from moment to moment?"

Does it hinder evolution do you think?


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116788 - 05/01/05 12:20 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

They are good for bonding, but often taken way to far and way too seriously.


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116794 - 05/01/05 12:21 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I guess it would depend on what the tradition was.

If your family gets together every 4th of July for a picnic.....where is the harm in that?


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116807 - 05/01/05 12:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
I realized I should've shared first. I'm not into them but go along if people I care about are and it means something to them.

I think they are just a way for people to hold on to the past or a means of attempting to recapture the past.

1) Is it healthy do that and if so how?

2) Can it be seen as sort of like a ball and chain binding you to repetition keeping you from "new creative expression being inspired from moment to moment?"

3) Does it hinder evolution do you think?




General quesitons, will get you general answers :wink:.

1) Yes and no. It's dependant on the nature of the tradition, and exactly what it promotes. Christmas for example is healthy for the economy as a tradition, due to slow seasonal sales, yet, promotes lying to children, and the sale of Satan.. I mean Santa... always get those two confused.

2) :yesnod: Dependant on the tradition

3) Dependant on the tradition. Most certainly has the potential to do so.

Do you have a more specific tradition, or a specific group of traditions that you're talking about?

Anniversaries for example, are a great tradition IMO, they're about giving the past significance, as well as the future through placing emphasis on the relationship in which the anniversary is celebrating/promoting. It's only a good thing depending on how you define good, and what virtue you give to an anniversary and the relationship it is celebrating though.


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116808 - 05/01/05 12:25 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Many traditions are quite good, the problem is that by their nature they become self-perpetuating. They may be very appropriate for a certain time and place, but once that time has passed, the traditions are very rarely updated. For example, forbidding the eating of pork may have saved lives at one time due to the current technology, but today pork, if prepared properly, is just fine to eat. But in certain cultures eating pork today will get you roasted.

The average person is spoon fed these beliefs and never questions them. Society does not reward critical thinking- it's sole purpose is to churn out mindless robots who exist only to serve those at the apex of the pyramid.


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Re: Traditions [Re: Dark_Star]
    #4116816 - 05/01/05 12:26 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

mmmmmmmmmm yes, I think the bonding part with people has some merit. My daughter seems to like tradition I think for that reason.

But shes still a kid. I loved it in my younger years too.

That's why I wonder if it has something to do with feeling safe and secure or a part of something "special" and began with "primitive adults who lived in more fear.

Look at how so many older people live on rigid daily schedules (mini daily traditions and rituals). Don't blow their meal, walk or nap time on them, they will FREAK OUT!:lol: Sort of like with a little kid.


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116842 - 05/01/05 12:34 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, good stuff guys.

I like the 4th too night owl. I'm a pyromaniac so that doesn't coun't.

(My thumbs were black last year from lighting off so many.:lol:)

Sorry 1985 (i hate to shoorten your name to psycho cuz your not)
I was thinking of it in general broad terms. Thought you guys would help get to specifics and you are.

Jellric, how you touched on the pork thing, yes, that was something I was getting at, how some are just obsolete for the current times, like BRIDES wearing WHITE? Please!


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116843 - 05/01/05 12:34 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

1985 I like that one :smile:


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116855 - 05/01/05 12:40 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Are we talking about those based on time (seasonal orientation), custom, or belief, or all 3?


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-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
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Re: Traditions [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4116856 - 05/01/05 12:40 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I guess it all boils down to what the tradition is.



The pork thing......bad

The 4th thing......good



For the most part traditions are harmless.


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Re: Traditions [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4116861 - 05/01/05 12:41 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

ooooooooops damn ADD again!:tongue: 1984 :grin:

BTW, I actually got thinking on traditions wondering why voodoo has survived for this long. :tongue:


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Re: Traditions [Re: niteowl]
    #4116864 - 05/01/05 12:42 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly. We shouldn't be generalizing about traditions because that's falling into the traditional trap of turning your mind off.


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116866 - 05/01/05 12:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

Voodoo is teh shit... nuff' said, I practice all the time.

I think its kinda like Wiccan in why its survived so long as a belief. Both are really into personal empowerment through "magickal" forces.

Theirs just something alluring about a belief that allows grown men/women to play with dolls and justifies it as an acceptable practice.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.


Edited by Psychoactive1984 (05/01/05 12:45 AM)


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Re: Traditions [Re: Jellric]
    #4116882 - 05/01/05 12:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Jellric said:
Exactly. We shouldn't be generalizing about traditions because that's falling into the traditional trap of turning your mind off.




Yes, we figured that out pretty quickly.

1984, "grown people use it as an excuse to play with dolls." :lol:

Ya know, maybe starting a Internet business to make replications of peoples bosses for office pin sticking therapy might be profitable. :cool:

Like with the 4th, how many of you get all sentimental about our Nations Birthday?


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116896 - 05/01/05 12:54 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I thought the 4th was about shooting off fireworks and getting drunk....

wtf is this talk about "our nations B-day"



















jk :cool:


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Re: Traditions [Re: niteowl]
    #4116910 - 05/01/05 12:57 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thats what I mean. Do we need a day on the calender to tell us to do that?

I grill out, drink with friends by the pool and blow off fireworks all summer long.

The 4th is extra cool just because the whole neighborhood is going off. Tampa is insane on the 4th.


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4116921 - 05/01/05 01:01 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Do we need a day on the calender to tell us to do that?

Yes, but having everyone celebrate on the same day lends power to the tradition, reinforcing the idea behind it. In the case of Independence Day I think that's not a bad thing. In the case of 'Spinach Week'- celebrating the power of spinach in our daily lives, I think that may be a bit excessive.


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4117010 - 05/01/05 01:28 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I'd actually give the 4th of july a bit more emphasis provided I found more of this "freedom" that we supposedly have.


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Re: Traditions [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4118238 - 05/01/05 12:00 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Depends on whose traditions they are. I find most other peoples traditions, like Xmas, as you said, a silly pain in the ass.


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