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 Scarface
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 Whats with people and sellin out?! 
#332403 - 06/02/01 01:54 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whats the deal we all sell out everyday....right.....not me. What the fuck is with people always trying to better themselves and stomp anybody just to get there. Society is so caught up in shit they all just need to chill. But people dont even understand the meaning of chill. All these atificial people, dont you have a sense of fuckin brotherhood with your mates, or are they just gonna sell out all their life.
Lets take for example Zimbabwe, I mean what the fuck is up with these blacks going around killin white people. Holy shit this is a life and they get away with that shit man. Goin around and bloody well killing white people in THEIR fuckin homes on a farm.
Politics is hurt there needs to be less of it and more love. Maybe just drop a nuke on all these sellouts, but whats that gonna do, thats not sensible. Anybody with the ability to think and make moral decisions for THEMSELVES would realise that this is just flat out insane.
Dude what the fuck, yah know what I'm sayin the whole world better not be like this. God damn this shits overwhelming, fuckin hits me right in the heart and soul, and that ain't cool.
So what do you do?
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 Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Scarface]
#332529 - 06/02/01 04:32 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I hear ya man, there is some fucked up shit happening in the world. Sad thing is, there isnt much we can do about it.
I wish everyone would just chill too, i cant understand ppl that would do horrible things like this.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Scarface]
#332959 - 06/03/01 07:46 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder how many blacks were killed by the ancestors of those same white farmers when they were busy aquiring "THEIR fuckin homes"? Killing anyone is wrong, no doubt, but being justifiably pissed at a century or three of abuse isn't exactly selling out.
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Scarface
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Pynchon]
#333067 - 06/03/01 11:37 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Buddy you missed the point, killing these people is wrong. I don't care who the fuck did it, its wrong flat out. This is recent, like right now hence why I used the example.
Jesus Christ theirs always somebody who needs it explained to them.
peace
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Scarface]
#333076 - 06/03/01 12:04 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Greed. Jealousy. Try being rich and realizing your only power is with what you can buy. You think your possessions are as important as the self. You buy a two million dollar vase and break it would you be pissed? I wouldn't. A vase is a vase. Except some person was able to make you think it was worth this much, and then some idiot bought into the bs. When people create pride in what these inanimate objects do for them, does it make them feel worth something? Worth money? When most of the world that we live in is more worried about how much money they will make, were is the compassion for another man?
Why would people kill another? Unless it was their own personal reason there would be no gain but revenge. People in "powerful" positions think they can make other people do things with money, because that is all they have to push someone with. If these people had sensed what they were doing and realized it was bad.. would they still have done it?
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Scarface]
#333838 - 06/04/01 07:02 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Perhaps you should read my post a little more closely. Buddy.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Pynchon]
#334069 - 06/04/01 01:08 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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"All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one."
I think we should kill everyone but me... and a female that I could mate with (she wouldn't even have to love me). And give me all the food in the world. And give me all the power in the world, so if the world is fucked up, we can all blame me.... but then, you'd be dead. Fuck it, let's do it. Ready? Okay. Just shut up and drink your fucking Kool-Aid.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Scarface]
#334358 - 06/04/01 06:54 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I think about this stuff I just remember one thing about physics. Any member of the field affects the entire field. By just being aware of all of the injustices constantly throughout the world you are helping to remove them. Just work your way towards helping out this field, and keep peace within yourself and the outside world will take heed.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Scarface]
#334481 - 06/04/01 08:27 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm with you here, but you should know that there have only been 5 white farmers killed in this recent load of bullshit in zimbabwe. shit maybe there've been a couple more since I read that in the paper, but the "issue" has been talked about so much that everyone seems to think there are hordes of rampaging blackfellas killing and raping whites all over zimbabwe. not so, although I'm sure there are a few that wish it were.
but yeah man, sell out, become "successful" buy a shiny car wear a shiny watch and some terribly plain and boring clothes with a brand name written on them and some of the other sellouts will like you enough to talk about the weather and other equally interesting things.
but think for a second!! you're here saying "what's up with all these fuckin sellouts?! can't they have a bit of love for their brothers...." etc. well how about people can't help but learn what they are taught, and most people are taught a big load of shit from the moment they're born (I teach children, and the two year old girls already know that their favourite colour is pink. they hate the rain but like "good weather"....ETC) but underneath all that crap every human is the same awesome consciousness, the same mind/body/spirit business that is impossible to comprehend and really it should be amazing to sit on a bus and be surrounded with other conscious beings but instead we are all (I am, I'll assume you are too) too busy thinking about shit, looking around noticing how fat and lazy that guy looks eating his big mac and that stupid bitch yelling at her kids.....all the bad shit starts in our minds right?
go easy on the sellouts, remember we're just a bunch of talking apes, don't expect too much, spread a bit more love around yourself, especially in the sellouts direction since they NEED it so badly!!
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Scarface
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Traveller]
#335288 - 06/05/01 03:26 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Most definetly my friend you have a divine perspective of the world, I admire that. On the bus, in school, walking on the sidewalk I see conscious beings, and to talk to them is simply fun. I need not strive (most of the time) to change my train of thought on other peoples business like the fat man or the little punk.
Only learn what your taught...some would say, and that can very easily be so unless one has a desire to learn. In which case the horizon keeps stretching and expanding. And in this many of life's lessons can be learnt whether taught or not. Me personally I think the majority of these problems arise from the culture in countries such as Canada, America most of Europe etc. The luxuries are presented at a no hassle free of charge perspective as well it is easy for a young mind to get caught up in these societies. The bad shit does start in our minds but I wonder if brought up in a different country raised upon other beliefs, would the perspective still be so narrow?
You said everybody is the same "awesome consciousness" this is true. But to be able to tap into your conscious mind requires somebody who is willing and has that desire. Without these aspects the fact is that these people may never be capable of what we talk about now. I have said it before and I think its true that alot of this is ignarence in a culturally rushing boom snap nation.
Helping these people only if they want to be helped, and finding out after helping them that they turn their backs and HELP push the blade. Thats what most of our society is today. All these yuppies won't do shit in your face but instead they'll wait and fuck you over silently in the back, the harshest way to sellout. Spread love obviously but as of yet its all to no avail.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Scarface]
#335857 - 06/06/01 02:24 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you're using the term "selling out" a little too loosely, you in all probablility ARE the boy wearin' vans 501's and a dope beastie-T, analyze yourself for a while and I think that you've sold out to a degree at one point or another
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
#335863 - 06/06/01 02:54 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you're right here too, again I think we're taught to sell out from the beginning, and it's a real struggle to learn the skills necessary to not be a sellout. so yeah I reckon if we're serious about this selling out business we need to start growing our own food and building our own houses and making our own clothes etc which is a pretty full on mission. but worth it in the end I think.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Scarface]
#335866 - 06/06/01 03:06 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just remembered something that occured to me a few years back:
every animals basic instinct is to survive at all costs, and to fuck when it's the right time of year. in the wild most animals have to compete constantly in order to get enough food, carnivores have to kill. even animals that live in groups for safety - and surely have emotional ties with the other group members - will do their best to fill their own belly before letting anyone else have a go. the one glaring exception being the mother, who will often go hungry to feed her kids. even the mother won't sacrifice herself to save her children though, she'll get out of there if she can, and have more kids next year.
what I'm getting at is that all animals need this selfishness in order to stay alive, if they didn't they would not survive in the wild. we no longer need this instinct to survive in our modern comfortable societies but the instinct is still there, and despite our supposed sophistication i think instinct is still the driving force behind most of what we do. the various forms of art that have evolved with us are really an amazing expression of how far we have come...but we're still a bunch of selfish sex-crazed apes, even if we do talk and read and write and draw and build and ride skateboards and.......
hope i'm making sense.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Traveller]
#335908 - 06/06/01 05:08 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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No matter what, it all equates to yourself. Your stream of conciousness. "Selling out" requires ego, and a drive for the path of least resistance. Benefit others, and benefit yourself. As soon as someone hits the point of "selling out" they will hit the brick wall of negativity, and fail to go forwards, until they have learned, and righted, their wrong.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad]
#336043 - 06/06/01 09:47 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hear what your sayin Faaip_De_Oiad but in all honesty I have done that and I try to support the smaller companies to compete against these growing monopolies like nike and such. If your thinking in terms of slave labour and selling out to the kids in Africa (I don't know where they are) that work for $0.02 an hour, well in that case I am not sure whether my clothes companies do that. But it would seem to me quite illogical for a small company to fly to Africa and start up a factory only to have to pay for the transportation costs back. I ask that you be more specific on the clothing issue.
As for instinct, that is the situation, that what once worked in the wild no longer has a need in our current day society. An interesting topic that some of you might want to read up on is the Hedonistic Imperative it talks about this and many other things involving evolution and such. If I'm not mistaken you can find it somewhere on the site hallucinogen.com just take a bit of time to look around.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Scarface]
#337456 - 06/07/01 10:39 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are too many corrupt and selfish people in this world today. Too bad that most of them are in positions of power. Our children are being raised in environments where the most prominent people they know of are sell outs, they start to think its ok. Its getting to be that if you think for yourself and don't have to ask someone else before you answer then you are outcast.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
#337886 - 06/10/01 10:34 PM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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People aren't born with instincts according to Freud and Psychology books, we are the only species that has to learn everything we do. Therefore we learn to fight, learn to kill, learn to be mean, learn to do all the horrible things that happen. It's hard to break the mold that was set for you to follow. I mean if some african kid out in zimbabwa was taught since he was a little kid about violence and killing the white man, that is all he will learn. I can't blame him for that.
I feel very priviledged to have the opportunity to look elsewhere for ideas and ways to live, not everyone can do that.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: 'Pulse]
#338114 - 06/11/01 04:50 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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fuck freud and the psychology books man do you really believe we are born without instincts? i hate all this crap people have made up to explain how we're different from the "animals". why do babies try to eat everything? did someone teach them that? i don't think so. why would someone who has never seen a tiger run away when they saw one charging at them? did they do a course in the dangers of charging tigers and how to escape? our bodies know many things that we are never taught, in fact we are taught to ignore and suppress our instincts and here we are wearing clothes and discussing politics instead of sniffing each others butts.
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: Traveller]
#339850 - 06/13/01 09:08 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well just because we don't have instincts doesn't mean we aren't animals, in fact animals are different. I thought it was hard to believe but its pretty commonly known that we don't. Think of how helpless a baby is when it's born, it can't do anything, we feed it, teach it to walk, to talk... everything. Think about sex to every other animal its instinctual, but it's not for us, when you were a little kid did you know what to do with your penis or vagina? People taught you about the birds and the bees.
I think their are natural reactions to things, such as being scared of a tiger, we know it can kill us why wouldn't we run? We were taught how to run, that a tiger could kill you, and to be scared of dying. Put all those things together and you have a learned response. And anyway i'm just basing this by what people have concluded in research, who really knows =).
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Re: Whats with people and sellin out?! [Re: 'Pulse]
#339909 - 06/13/01 11:27 AM (23 years, 3 months ago) |
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Early human beings never developed language's and they reproduced for thousands of years and they figured it out with instincts.
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