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 Humans do not have instincts 
#12402548 - 04/16/10 08:23 AM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Instinct - Wikipedia
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Instinct is the inherent inclination of a living organism toward a particular behavior. The fixed action patterns are unlearned and inherited.
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A number of criteria were established which distinguishes instinctual from other kinds of behavior. To be considered instinctual a behavior must a) be automatic, b) be irresistible, c) occur at some point in development, d) be triggered by some event in the environment, e) occur in every member of the species, f) be unmodifiable, and g) govern behavior for which the organism needs no training (although the organism may profit from experience and to that degree the behavior is modifiable).
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...sociologists argue that humans have no instincts, defining them as a "complex pattern of behavior present in every specimen of a particular species, that is innate, and that cannot be overridden." Said sociologists argue that drives such as sex and hunger cannot be considered instincts, as they can be overridden...Psychologist Abraham Maslow argued that humans no longer have instincts because we have the ability to override them in certain situations. He felt that what is called instinct is often imprecisely defined, and really amounts to strong drives. For Maslow, an instinct is something which cannot be overridden, and therefore while it may have applied to humans in the past it no longer does.
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 Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: Poid]
#12402715 - 04/16/10 09:19 AM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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I disagree with the notion that instincts must be sepcies wide. Evolution works on individuals and as such you could have instinctual variation within a species pretty easily imo
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: Poid]
#12403148 - 04/16/10 11:11 AM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Before you get too bogged down into the semantics on whether or not instinct is defined as something that can be overridden, your title is already false.
What do you consider suckling on the part of babies to be? Is that learned behavior?
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Poid didn't suck as a baby, that's why he is over-compensating now. 
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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.
-Icelander-
I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!
~dill705~
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learningtofly
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What about survival? Is that not instinctual?
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"Before you get too bogged down into the semantics on whether or not instinct is defined as something that can be overridden, your title is already false"
According to your semantic bog, perhaps.
The statement is not false or true.
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: xFrockx]
#12403565 - 04/16/10 12:34 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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xFrockx said:
The statement is not false or true.
What is a statement?
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: dill705]
#12403689 - 04/16/10 12:57 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: deCypher]
#12403704 - 04/16/10 12:59 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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we instinctually eat
and fuck.
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: pong]
#12404370 - 04/16/10 02:51 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Poid didn't suck as a baby, that's why he is over-compensating now.
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What is a statement?
BIG LAWLZ & powder burns...!
Course we have instincts.
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: TheBalance] 1
#12405286 - 04/16/10 05:45 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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I disagree with the notion that instincts must be sepcies wide. Evolution works on individuals and as such you could have instinctual variation within a species pretty easily imo
Not sure about that happening "pretty easily", although I do believe it's possible.
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Before you get too bogged down into the semantics on whether or not instinct is defined as something that can be overridden, your title is already false.
What do you consider suckling on the part of babies to be? Is that learned behavior?
I was thinking that it's just a reaction to stimuli, similar to how getting slapped in the face causes people to say "Ow.".
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MushroomTrip said:
Poid didn't suck as a baby, that's why he is over-compensating now.
Stop psychoanalyzing me! 
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learningtofly said:
What about survival? Is that not instinctual?
Survival is driven by fear, which can be over-ridden by humans.
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pong said:
we instinctually eat
and fuck.
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We can refuse to do both, which means they aren't instincts. 
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TheBalance said:
Course we have instincts.
What an awesome argument you have there. 
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: Poid]
#12405291 - 04/16/10 05:46 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Stop telling MT to psychoanalyze you.
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: Poid]
#12405392 - 04/16/10 06:06 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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What about flinching? Maybe Im missing something...
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: DieCommie]
#12405394 - 04/16/10 06:06 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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What about flinching? Maybe Im missing something...
He is.
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: deCypher] 2
#12405405 - 04/16/10 06:08 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Fo sho. Read a biology book dude, take a class, anything other than piecemealing wikipedia shit and making sweeping generalizations. 
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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.
-Icelander-
I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!
~dill705~
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: dill705]
#12405490 - 04/16/10 06:27 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Mr. Cypher said:
Stop telling MT to psychoanalyze you.
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DieCommie said:
What about flinching? Maybe Im missing something...
That's a reflex--are reflexes necessarily instinctual?
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dill705 said:
Fo sho. Read a biology book dude, take a class, anything other than piecemealing wikipedia shit and making sweeping generalizations.
I've got nothing better to do ATM. 
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: Poid]
#12405498 - 04/16/10 06:29 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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That's a reflex--are reflexes necessarily instinctual?
Thats what Ive always thought.
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: Poid]
#12405501 - 04/16/10 06:30 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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what about defending yourself?
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Re: Humans do not have instincts [Re: DieCommie]
#12405502 - 04/16/10 06:30 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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That's a reflex--are reflexes necessarily instinctual?
Thats what Ive always thought.
You thought correctly!
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