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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Moonshoe]
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"A large aspect of spirituality is the realization that we humans are multifaceted beings, with a physical side, a mental side and a spiritual side. All of them must be developed, and we cannot renounce one and entirely focus on the others."

This is true. However, up until one begins to cultivate their spiritual side, their entire life has been isolated in the physical - as our society has pressured most of us to live. So, when persuing spiritual insight, it is advisable to do away with physical desires and pleasures in order to focus one's energy towards catching up on spiritual development. I mean, sure balance is key, but now you have to balance all of the years of pure physical consciousness with this, mostly spiritual consciousness.

No one said it was easy :smile:

(not to come as an insult or anything, I'm actually quite impressed by your regime already, just giving some extra advice :wink:)


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: deff]
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no worries i wasnt taking it as an insult, just exploring the idea. cuz its something ive thought about, i went through a stage of thinking all money/material/physical stuff was just a distraction from the 'true' purpose of life.

No i aim for a healthy balance

thanks for all contributions!

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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Moonshoe]
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Glad to see your doing good :smile:

coke is something hard to get off, but you will overtime.......You've already made a huge change, this is something you got to focus on now untile it feels like everyday life, after you do that you will realize....hmmm ok i dont have many problems, except_____.....only then you can focus on perfecting your habits :smile:

you know what your doing, just dont forget :smile:


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: deff]
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interested in spiritual advancement, do away with the cocaine and the marijuana.
So much for the rastafari.

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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Mixomatosis]
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some buddhist monks smoke hash more or less constantly as well


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Moonshoe]
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I have a lot of respect for people who religiously smoke weed all day.

For example, there's this guy I know who lives in the woods. He grows a few plants during the summer so he's able to live in the forest and meditate and practice martial arts and yoga all the time. He's a rastafarian and he smokes weed constantly. It doesn't deplete him at all. I guess I always wished I could get stoned all day, but it just doesn't work for me very well.

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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Mixomatosis]
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"For example, there's this guy I know who lives in the woods. He grows a few plants during the summer so he's able to live in the forest and meditate and practice martial arts and yoga all the time"

wow... thats basically my life goal outlined right there. Check out my 'whats your ultimate life goal' thread.


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Moonshoe]
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Hey nothing against it used productively to aid in spiritual endeavors :smile:

I meant the usually unproductive pleasure seeking use :smile:

Marijuana is a great aid in meditation for a lot of people :thumbup:


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: deff]
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" Marijuana is a great aid in meditation for a lot of people "

thats what i hear, not true for me personally though. I find that for me weed use alone is a kind of meditation, as it has some of the same effects, quieting the internal dialouge, relaxation etc, but if i try to meditate while high, it just doesnt work, im way to distracted and unfocused.


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Mixomatosis]
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Staying addled on drugs all of the time is nowhere. Using a conciousness altering substance occasionally for recreation is one thing, BUT just staying drugged all of the time is not what your body was designed for. When one moves beyond using alcohol or a drug more than once or twice a week, at the very outside, then they have a problem whether they choose to face it or not. When I found myself drinking every day or two, several years ago, I deluded myself by telling myself that I wasn't hurting anybody and I was just relaxing. Then one day I found out that I was starting to have liver failure. ANY drug used chronically will cause damage.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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"Staying addled on drugs all of the time is nowhere."

:confused:

"staying drugged all of the time is not what your body was designed for."

i absolutely agree. Thats why ive made my schedule to stay drug free during the week, and enjoy drugs recreationally on the weekend. Spiritual drug use, (use of ethneogens) falls into a different category entirely and will be even more limited than recreational use, confined to the most suitable of occasions.



"When one moves beyond using alcohol or a drug more than once or twice a week, at the very outside, then they have a problem whether they choose to face it or not.'

i dont think i entirely agree. I think some drugs, although few, such as weed and yes even alcohol (beer) can be used responsibly even daily (one beer after work, one toke before bed) , although i think more commonly it becomes a problem.

"When I found myself drinking every day or two, several years ago, I deluded myself by telling myself that I wasn't hurting anybody and I was just relaxing. "

This is sort of like me with weed. Although at first i dont think i really WAS hurting anyone and WAS just relaxing, i eventually decided that staying high was limiting my progress in pretty much every aspect of my life. I just ignored that earlier because inspite of my heavy pot use, i was still in good shape, doing well at school, good social life etc. Now i realize that even though all those aspects are good, they can be even better with no weed at all.


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Edited by Moonshoe (10/12/04 03:27 PM)

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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Moonshoe]
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I was responding to Mixomatosis saying he respected people who stayed stoned all of the time. You have the right of it concerning marijuana. Yeah, if someone can limit their use to just a moment before bedtime like someone might do with having a beer. I, however, would challenge you furthur...to not just limit drugs and alcohol to the weekend, but just to special occasions. Then, engage your mind in activities that leave no room for intoxication. I, myself have numerous related hobbies that I could not engage in while intoxicated. I like to write computer code, for instance. With even 2 beers in me I ain't worth a shit because I lose focus. Archery require a steadfast hand and a keen eye which is lost even with a mild entheogen dose. I fill my time with so many activities that require focus that I don't have time to be bored or intoxicated. Then, when you do indulge in intoxicants it takes on a special, more positive meaning. I don't believe that giving up partying is where it's at...just limit it to special occasions. I am immenently more capable and productive now for it.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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"people who stayed stoned all of the time"
i have to break in and say, man i wish that was possible :P
i say, com-on,.. :smile: hehe even i got those 2 seconds of soberness before I got to my stash :P j\k
me points to my disclaimer :P


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Edited by Gomp (10/12/04 06:24 PM)

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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Gomp]
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"even i got those 2 seconds of soberness before I got to my stash"

You must not have much of a life.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Define 'much of a life' realtive to Gomp, rather than your own views :smile:

Oh wait... you can't :wink:


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: deff]
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I can. Staying intoxicated on a regular basis = no life. Also = misery
Use your brain...Oh wait... you can't.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Um... alright then.


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: deff]
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good advice huehue, im sort of already doing it, at least during the week, as i cant do homework well stoned, working out fill some time, meditation also, kung fu when i get back into it...

But, weekend use is still good for me. Life moves in phases, now im moving out of the daily use phase, because the weekend use works for me now. Probably in a year or maybe 20, ill decide to stop that as well and go down to yearly or bi-annually... but for now, its workin out.

and ps. your lifestyle isnt actually the best possible one, nor is it mature to judge someones entire life based on one joke.


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Moonshoe]
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just saw this: "I can. Staying intoxicated on a regular basis = no life. Also = misery
Use your brain...Oh wait... you can't. '

:grin:  :rolleyes:

whats more of a flame, huehue saying deff has no brain, or gomp has no life, or me saying that huehue is a pretentious, elitist wank?

hypothetically


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Moonshoe]
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Since yours is justified, hue's is more of a flame

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