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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3222497 - 10/06/04 11:57 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Punk rock had/has an inherant value. TM was a rip.


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3222589 - 10/06/04 12:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

yah i know all that stuff about the maharishi and how they made people pay for teaching. But the basic practice was simply sitting quietly and repeating a mantra mentally or out loud, to enter a deeper state of concentration. That is all i am going to do. Just call it mantra meditation if you want.

And yeah Zen meditation is good, i will probably move on to the zen practice of 'just breathing' after a few weeks of TM, i simply find that form of meditation is slightly more challenging and i have an easier time tranceing with TM.


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3222889 - 10/06/04 01:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, but calling it TM brings the Maharishi into it by virtue of using his trademark. Negative associations like this are best avoided in any situation hence my judgement of "trendy".


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3224392 - 10/06/04 07:24 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

alright, one day down!

I got a good nights sleep on my new matress, rememberd my dream, got up in time for a healthy breakfast of eggs, toast and fruit, had green tea instead of coffee, took my health pills, didnt smoke any weed, had a good free weight work out, did 2 homework assignments, got a test back (100%!) and now im going to do my meditations!

peace out yall lets see how long it can remain


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3224634 - 10/06/04 08:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds cool! Just remember, you may slip, and you have to be forgiving and allowing of that and pick it up again and move on. Don't let any slips or off days blow the whole program.

It helps to start the day with the atittude for it, ya know, set a tone that will carry you through. Before you get out of bed, do a morning attitude adjustment, it'll take a few seconds but make a big difference for the day.

You'll do great, thanks for sharing this with us. No doubt it will motivate many to do lot's of things they have been putting off. Sometimes people get so caught up in their spiritual health that they neglect care of the physical body. :thumbup:


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3230068 - 10/07/04 08:15 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

nice new avatar jiggy and good advice.

aight heres day two: progress continues more or less,

i got an even better sleep tonight and rememberd not one but 3 different dreams! good start.

I was able to wake up in time to get up, do all my hygiene, eat a good breakfast and even do an assignment i had been procastinating on! this is a big change! before i was lucky if i could get out of bed at all in the morning, let alone have time to do anything other  than throw on some clothes and chug some coffee. continued my herb/vitamin regimen, green tea again instead of coffee.

I got my math correspondence stuff (i have to teach myself now) and immediatly got started on the assignments and reading. I also did my daily work (for money) and i did my cardio exercise (100 jumping jacks, 100 ski jumps, 100 step ups, 100 jump-punches) modest, but enough to break a good sweat and get the old heart pumping.

i took a puff of weed today that was offerd by a friend but still havent bought any drugs. Head feels generally clearer and energy higher, body is already starting to regain its old carved shape.

My meditation yesterday was great, really deep and enjoyable, so ill definetly continue with that today.

I also used my evening time to read the tao te ching and the prophet, two of my favourite spiritual works, when i normally would have had my before bed toke.

Health is improving.

All in all things are staying cool.

A few modifications to my regime: instead of trying to cram all those meditations into a single night, i will choose one to practice for a good chunk of time each evening.

tommorow will be a test. Friday night is my party night...

im very tempted to buy a flap of cocaine.

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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3233793 - 10/08/04 04:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Unfortunately swami?s 3 month challenge never materialized...

*sigh* Wrong yet again. A full report will be forthcoming in early January.

Good "luck" with yours.  :thumbup:


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3233894 - 10/08/04 04:31 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know if I'm depressed for giving up on my personal goals, or inspired to start again.

I feel terrible compared to when I was trying these things.


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Swami]
    #3233909 - 10/08/04 04:39 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Can you tell us what discipline (or lack of it) you have chosen to follow?


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3234174 - 10/08/04 06:09 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)



"*sigh* Wrong yet again. A full report will be forthcoming in early January."

my mistake. Correction: unfortunatly swamis 3 month challenge hasnt materialized yet . I look forward to the results!

"Good "luck" with yours."

thanks, you too.

What did you practices did you decide to adopt for yours?


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3236881 - 10/09/04 03:41 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

moonshoe go get that book I told you to get. Do what I say and you'll be enlightened.


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #3238638 - 10/10/04 07:23 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Moonshoe,

Like someone above said, be forgiving when you start to slip. It sounds healthy though, having goals and working up to them. I hope it works out just fine and it will.

However, I noticed the "Big Ol' Wavy" as I like to call it from now on. Mr. Bow seems to be able to make me slip and slide all over the place, leaving me disorientated, depressed and generally a wacko. I reached my peak at the end of summer, I lost 22lbs and felt kinda good. Somehow, it gave me a wrong sense of stability, like I would stay like this forever. Fortunately, the weight is more or less staying low, but my general health and activity level dropped considerably. I'm just starting to - this huge for me - just handle it and go on.

Like shrooms, some people have an onset, peak and landing. Like you know, peak time can be great, but is short lived in comparison with the weeks of baseline you'll spend waiting for another trip.

Even IF you fail, remember you can walk again. But only if you decide to stand up and take your rightful place as an precious individual in this strange large universe! *big applause*

Why am I somehow inclined to assume we are going to fail? It doesn't sound positive, but I want it to. Anyway, good luck man.

Last minute addition: my downs are as low as my peaks high, at least they feel so. Regimes like this will fail miserably here and will bring my confidence down to subzero values. Of course, that's exaggerated, I can handle it quite cooly now. :smile:

Btw, I'm new *waves around*


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3238694 - 10/10/04 08:27 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Hey shoe, good luck with this... I have faith that you can do this, because I'm planning my own hiatus as we speak... and the only reason I think I can do it this time is because I actually have the confidence that I can do it this time. :P Sounds redundant, but when you're only "dealing" with yourself in a conflict, (Such as trying to detox from an addiction) your own confidence makes or breaks success.

I'm moving into my first apartment in 5 days. When I do, I plan to replace my current schedule of spending all my free time smoking weed with something very similar to what you've outlined.

It will mostly be exercise, vocal practice, and guitar practice, meditation.. but your list gives me some new ideas for my own, and I thank you for that.

So anyway, good luck to you. :thumbup: And look for a similar thread from me in the next 5-10 days.


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3240298 - 10/10/04 07:59 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

thanks for the support all and welcome zaphire, hope you stick around.

Well, i made an oath that when i slipped id let you guys know, and in a way, ive slipped.

i made it through a full week without buying weed and barely smoking any. I totally replaced coffee with green tea, i started each day with a healthy breakfast, an a vitamin and herb regime. I had a good workout each day and am already noticing that my carved out shape is more or less back. My energy is higher, ive been remembering my dreams, and i used my paycheck to buy a new hoody and a new touqe (canadian headwarmer :wink:  ) instead of just drugs.

But it was friday. And i still had money left. And i was so proud of myself for my healthy week, and all my friends were going out partying and i didnt want to be left out. And it  was  friday.

So... i bought a half gram of cocaine and  a gram of weed. Had an awesome night. Next day, woke up, took my medicines, ate my breakfast, cleaned my house, worked out, back on track.

What im realizing is that i started this challenge because i was feeling crappy. I felt like my personal power was low, like i was going downhill rather than up hill. So, i over compensated with a lifestyle that was ALL fun and no games.


What im realizing now is that although its important to keep up my health, mental and physical, and my energy, and my marks and my money, im young, and the party animal part of me is something that im not nearly ready to put down for good. So, im making a change to m schedule. No buying drugs during the week. At least half of each pay check goes to things other than drugs. I keep up all regimes during the week. But on friday nights, im allowed to do drugs.

Keep in mind before this schedule i was averaging just under a gram of weed a day, which is like, alot of money and really bad for my motivation.

I think this new schedule is a good balance. When i DO do drugs, i enjoy them way more, and during the week i can stay focused on the important things. This way when i get to do some drugs i really feel like im rewarding myself instead of just fuckin myself up.

Anyways, im feeling about 70% better already, after only a few days of this routine. I highly recomend everyone who feels there life has some room for improvement do this kind of thing. What is keeping you down? what are you doing that you wish you werent? what arenet you doing that you wish you were?

make a detailed list, and an easy to understand routine. keep it feasible, if you overwhelm yourself all at once youll probably just gvive up and feel even worse.

Anyways today was thanks giving, and i spent most of the day helping my parents get ready for the big dinner and then eating the dinner and drinking with my family after, so i didnt do anything on my usual list today, but its a holiday ya know.

Anyways i slipped up a bit. Nevetheless tommorow its right back to the grind, and i dont plan to let this scedule die.

Thanks yall, hope life is good to ya.

oh yeah an mix, next time i go book shoppin ill take a look for that book you recomended, for real.

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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3242230 - 10/11/04 08:07 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

That is precisely where I'm planning to go aftere the month off, moon.. back to just weekends. But I want to take a full month off first, because I've really felt a physical toll from my use and I'd really like to get back to 100% before I go back to weekends.

4 days til move out :grin:


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3242395 - 10/11/04 09:55 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

How's it going, Moonshoe?


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Frog]
    #3242619 - 10/11/04 11:15 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

pretty good froggy thanks!

when i started getting back into school and other work routines, i was having a really hard time readjusting. During the summer i was free to do thing when i wanted, so i was doing really good keeping up with a healthy diet, lots of sleep, meditation, exercise, fresh air, etc...

Then when i was forced to readjust my schedule to fit school (waking up at 7 instead of 2 pm, going to bed at 11 instead of 4am etc) all those healthy routines were shit kicked. Id wake up a few minuites before i had to leave, skip breakfast, chug some coffee, be a zombie through class, more coffee, come home , sit in front of the tv and veg or go get fucked up.

By making a concious effort i was more or less able to reintegrate my healthy routines with the school schedule, it just took some adjustments, gradually getting a better sleep, forcing myself to eat breakfast, take vitamins and herbs, was very good for my energy, letting me enjoy and function better at school and be more motivated to do things like meditate and exercise when i got home.

Its a process but its alot quicker than i initially feared.

Jacquescousteau, if you are feeling the effects of too much use and want to detox, i highly recomend the following

Drink 6-8 glasses of water a day, 1-2 glasses of green tea, take a pill of echinacea and a pill or 2 of goldenseal in the mornings, and exercise to perspiration once a day. Even if its just some jumping jacks or whatever, if you break a sweat you will detox alot faster.

I noticed that the main effects of laying off herb smoking for 3 days is a clearer head and clearer piss.


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3242686 - 10/11/04 11:37 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I don't want to seem judgemental or anything, but if you want my honest advise here it is:

If you are fully, 100% interested in spiritual advancement, do away with the cocaine and the marijuana. Physical pleasures can be blinding to spiritual awareness.

Of course, this has to be a self-decided transition. Don't take my word for it :smile:


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: deff]
    #3242694 - 10/11/04 11:39 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

"If you are fully, 100% interested in spiritual advancement, do away with the cocaine and the marijuana."

I am glad someone finally said it so I didn't have to. At least the cocaine...that stuff is powdered death.


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Re: with you as my witness (the moonshoe challenge!) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3242879 - 10/11/04 12:36 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

"If you are fully, 100% interested in spiritual advancement, do away with the cocaine and the marijuana. Physical pleasures can be blinding to spiritual awareness."

oh no doubt man no doubt. But where do you draw the line? does that mean i should also be abstinent for my entire life? sustain myself on dry toast and water? no more warm baths or backrubs?

My understanding of spirituality is this

1. Understanding of the self, the world, and our place in it, where we came from and where we are going
2. compassion for fellow man and fellow life, striving to do good and not harm
3. Full awareness and concious enjoyment of life and its experiences

To be honest, im not sure where the idea of whats it called, asceticiscism? something like that (renunciation of physical pleasures) fits in...

A large aspect of spirituality is the realization that we humans are multifaceted beings, with a physical side, a mental side and a spiritual side. All of them must be developed, and we cannot renounce one and entirely focus on the others.

We must not become slaves to any one facet of the self. It is important to realize that material pleasures simply WILL NOT be fufilling to the soul, however i do feel that they have their place.

Prima Vitae, live first.

The time may come when i decide that the time for physical indulgences has past and i dedicate myself entirely to fasting, meditation and prayer. But now, not even 20 years old, the idea of renunciation just doesnt jive. Thats why i say im trying to bring more of a balance into my life. The week, the majority of my time, should be focused on physical, mental, spiritual, academic and financial development. But, for one or two days a week, im allowing myself to cut loose (still in safety and moderation)

as for cocaine, i fully realize that in that respect, i am playing with fire. Isnt that what humans do best? weather the precautions and moderation i enforce on myself will be enough to prevent me from getting burned, only time will tell.

Heres two relevant quotes from my favourite book, the tao te ching

"Life is at once spiritual and material, and the sage is concerned with both, Our anxieties cannot be solved by embracing one and rejecting the other. With equal attention, we must attempt to understand the ways of both"

" it is through our senses that we experience the world, through them we enjoy and learn, and through their use we find our way. While we may know that abuse is ultimately hurtfull, the line between use and abuse is something we can only learn to distinguish through experience. To find a happy ground where we can enjoy our sensibilities and not become a slave to them takes much attention"

The second quote is one i really take to heart. I stive to exert much attention and control in my enjoyment of the senses. That is why i have decided that my use of marijuana had crossed the line from use to abuse, and decided instead of a daily thing, it should be a weekly thing. As for cocaine, some would say that their is no use, only abuse. But again, this is something that i can only learn to distinguish through experience. Rest assured, i will exert much attention to ensure i do not become a slave to it.


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