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Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, "protected people," are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the law that global jihadists are laboring to impose everywhere, ultimately on the entire human race.

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Are the majority of Muslims carrying out terrorist attacks?

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No. Many of the mainstream Muslims have been victims of extremist Muslim attacks. Mainstream Islam does tend to be rather socially conservative, but most do not want to be terrorists.

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Now, as far as supporting terrorism, that's kind of a sticky issue. Many of them, especially in Palestine, see it as their only real weapon against a much more heavily armed enemy. I've talked to some Palestinians who say they have no problem with it as long as they only go after military targets.

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Then there's Bin Laden. Many people in the Muslim world, particularly the more conservative parts, look up to him as a hero for standing up to their percieved oppressor, America, even if they don't agree with all his ideology.

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Secular Islam is common in many populated urban areas throughout the Muslim world. Anyway, you have to understand that this issue isn't black and white. There are many shades of grey.

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silversoul7 said:

Are the majority of Muslims carrying out terrorist attacks?

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I think that you missed my point in creating this thread. The terms "moderate" and "Radical" are applied usually based as a percentage. If the vast majority of a group of people belive "X" then they are "moderate", if the minority believes "Y", they are "radical" or "extreme". The point I was trying to make is that the vast majority of Muslims worldwide believe that suicide bombing is a valid way to get your grievances listened to, and in so doing, meet some hot virgins in Heaven.

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No. Many of the mainstream Muslims have been victims of extremist Muslim attacks. Mainstream Islam does tend to be rather socially conservative, but most do not want to be terrorists.

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What makes you call the peaceful side of Islam "Mainstream"? Do you think that if every Muslim were polled worldwide, the majority of them would be peaceful with an interpretation of Islam that doesn't support or condone terrorist attacks? I can assure you that most Mid-East Muslims won't feel this way.

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Now, as far as supporting terrorism, that's kind of a sticky issue. Many of them, especially in Palestine, see it as their only real weapon against a much more heavily armed enemy. I've talked to some Palestinians who say they have no problem with it as long as they only go after military targets.

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So even in your opinion, the majority of people in Palestine support terroristic activities? When they are telling you "military targets", they are speaking in a kind of code. Since every male in Israel is part of the IDF, killing or attacking any group where their might be males could be considered a military target. A disco filled with young males? Well, thats like attacking a bar where off-duty Marines go, it's a "military target" to them. No?

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Then there's Bin Laden. Many people in the Muslim world, particularly the more conservative parts, look up to him as a hero for standing up to their percieved oppressor, America, even if they don't agree with all his ideology.

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So the vast majority of the Muslim world supports the activities and beliefs of bin-Laden? Why don't you call them "mainstream" then, and those that are against him as the "radicals"?

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Secular Islam is common in many populated urban areas throughout the Muslim world. Anyway, you have to understand that this issue isn't black and white. There are many shades of grey.

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Sure, but on the issue of semantics. If the MAJORITY of a group believe something, wouldn't you call them "mainstream" rather than "radical"? Do you see now why I believe that the "mainstream" label doesnt' reflect the true opinion of the majority of Muslims, rather it reflects how we WANT reality to be? We want to believe that this RoP? is just that, a religion of peace, when in fact, most of it's practitioners were happy on 9/11/01 that America got sucker-punched. Why muddy the water calling them "radical"? It's true that people that believe this are MAINSTREAM, not radicals.

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I'd like to see some statistics on this. I believe that this is mostly just a vocal minority rather than the majority, but I could be wrong.

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"Peaceful" is relative. I think the number of Muslim pacifists is probably similar to the number of Christians pacifists. As far as condoning terrorist attacks, I think it depends on which attacks. Many attacks occur within Muslim countries, and I'm fairly sure that most Muslims would condemn such actions. It also depends on how you define terrorism. Remember that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Many of the founding fathers of the United States could be considered terrorists.

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How can you presume that some people who I talked to and you never met were using some kind of code? I'm aware of what you're saying, but they were specifically referring to an incident in which a female suicide bomber attacked some Israeli soldiers on duty.

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Show me where I said "the vast majority."

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You claim that the majority believes these things. I want to see some evidence of this.

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