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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: JoeTherapist] * 1
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Mychol said:
SkanskKorv said:
newlive said:
What is the maximum temperature at which these mushrooms can be dried?




160f for 24h works great but I can't say what the max temp would be :lol: this might give you a hint though. The test is done over 30 minutes though, not 24h.


https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/PREVENTIONWELLNESS/Documents/Stability%20of%20Psilocybin%20and%20Analogs.pdf


Btw just a heads up, the mushrooms you've shown in those buckets earlier are far from ready to harvest:awesome:



I think my dehydrator is set at 60°C. Is that OK then for 12-24 hours drying time? The graph doesn't show the time of exposure.

Thanks!

Mike




Yeah mate 60°c also works great, even 40°c works like a charm but I prefer to know that they're absolutely bone dry so I max the settings out at 70°c.

So yeah just stay below 70-75°c until they're bone dry but keep it below 24h and you'll be good
:raisemyglass:


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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As I understand it (and someone correct me if I’m wrong), the high temperature just speeds up the oxidation process. The temperature alone doesn’t decrease potency at the temperatures we’re talking about, so keeping them in the dehydrator longer after they’re fully dehydrated doesn’t significantly decrease potency further. Dehydrating at a higher temperature causes faster oxidation, but also faster dehydration, which means the oxidation process ends sooner. So it’s a trade-off.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ambigu] * 1
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ambigu said:
As I understand it (and someone correct me if I’m wrong), the high temperature just speeds up the oxidation process. The temperature alone doesn’t decrease potency at the temperatures we’re talking about, so keeping them in the dehydrator longer after they’re fully dehydrated doesn’t significantly decrease potency further. Dehydrating at a higher temperature causes faster oxidation, but also faster dehydration, which means the oxidation process ends sooner. So it’s a trade-off.



Well I can't speak about the numbers or anything but I've noticed a small but still significant potency loss when I've been careless and "accidentally" dry them for closer to 48h instead of 24h. Ofc I could still be wrong but the batch I'm thinking about was the same harvest from the same tote but dried in 2 sessions and the ones closer to 40h are at maybe 75% of what the 24h ones are so it's not an insane amount but with Semps who take so long to gain potency I don't enjoy taking any chances:lol:

So yeah this isn't scientific it's just my personal experience.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 1
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SkanskKorv said:
Mychol said:
SkanskKorv said:
newlive said:
What is the maximum temperature at which these mushrooms can be dried?




160f for 24h works great but I can't say what the max temp would be :lol: this might give you a hint though. The test is done over 30 minutes though, not 24h.


https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/PREVENTIONWELLNESS/Documents/Stability%20of%20Psilocybin%20and%20Analogs.pdf


Btw just a heads up, the mushrooms you've shown in those buckets earlier are far from ready to harvest:awesome:



I think my dehydrator is set at 60°C. Is that OK then for 12-24 hours drying time? The graph doesn't show the time of exposure.

Thanks!

Mike




Yeah mate 60°c also works great, even 40°c works like a charm but I prefer to know that they're absolutely bone dry so I max the settings out at 70°c.

So yeah just stay below 70-75°c until they're bone dry but keep it below 24h and you'll be good
:raisemyglass:



Awesome! Thanks for the 411.:rockon:


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Mychol] * 3
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ReverendMyc has a  good thread going on the subject. Tested:Dehydration temperature vs potency
I dehydrate at 160f for 24 hours.

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao] * 1
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The Tao said:
ReverendMyc has a  good thread going on the subject. Tested:Dehydration temperature vs potency
I dehydrate at 160f for 24 hours.



Yes, very good stuff :thumbup:

ReverendMyc said:
So this lends credibility to the often given advice that 24 hours at full heat is ideal to ensure that all moisture is removed. There is no measurable loss in potency caused by leaving mushrooms in a dehydrator after they are fully dry.




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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ambigu]
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This is what I've started doing, so we'll see how it goes.

I was storing in quart jars bc I have this thing that removes all the air out them,
but I've switched to black mylar bags with desiccant packs inside and impulse sealing them

How are you guys storing?


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ambigu] * 1
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ambigu said:
The Tao said:
ReverendMyc has a  good thread going on the subject. Tested:Dehydration temperature vs potency
I dehydrate at 160f for 24 hours.



Yes, very good stuff :thumbup:

ReverendMyc said:
So this lends credibility to the often given advice that 24 hours at full heat is ideal to ensure that all moisture is removed. There is no measurable loss in potency caused by leaving mushrooms in a dehydrator after they are fully dry.







Looks like you're right then and this makes me happy because I've been quite paranoid over leaving them for too long since those potency variations I've noticed but they gotta be from something else based on this info.


@Asura: I store mine in standard 500ml jars with metal lids, sometimes with a dehydrated desiccant bag and sometimes without depending on if I have one available or not:lol: works like a charm unless the lid is fucked up.

How well do they hold up in the Mylar bags?


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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SkanskKorv said:
How well do they hold up in the Mylar bags?



I don't know yet. I just started doing it maybe 2 weeks ago. I have too many shrooms (what a problem to have!)
to waste jars on, so I bought a 50 pack of these.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Asura]
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Asura said:
SkanskKorv said:
How well do they hold up in the Mylar bags?



I don't know yet. I just started doing it maybe 2 weeks ago. I have too many shrooms (what a problem to have!)
to waste jars on, so I bought a 50 pack of these.




Those are some big letters
:ohmyfuck:

I'm looking forward to the results


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao]
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The Tao said:
ReverendMyc has a  good thread going on the subject. Tested:Dehydration temperature vs potency
I dehydrate at 160f for 24 hours.



Thanks for that; very helpful!

I haven't been at this game very long, but I bought some desiccant packs that change color from dark green to orange. Orange when they are fully dry.

I get a pack of 30 of them, and when I dry shrooms in the dehydrator, I also dry a couple dissicant packs at the same time.

Then I've been storing them in double plastic bags with desiccant in the shroom bag, and desiccant in the outer bag. All that goes into a corner of a dark drawer.

What a great community; thanks everyone for the great pointers! :awesomenod:


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 1
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I’m storing them in proper 500ml Mason jars with desiccant packs as well (shrooms in general, not semps, because I haven’t had any yet :frown:). I guess it works fine. When I started, I ordered big 5l jars similar to this:



I noticed after a month or so that they weren’t cracker dry anymore, so I stopped using them.

Yikes… that’s big! Sorry for that :facepalm:

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Asura] * 3
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Asura said:
This is what I've started doing, so we'll see how it goes.

I was storing in quart jars bc I have this thing that removes all the air out them,
but I've switched to black mylar bags with desiccant packs inside and impulse sealing them

How are you guys storing?



I go all the way with the capsules and a vacuum seal
I’m sure doing this will last a couple years in potency
And by blending them up, I’m gonna get a consistent trip each time


Edited by 99.99 (11/15/26 01:16 PM)

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ambigu] * 2
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ambigu said:
I’m storing them in proper 500ml Mason jars with desiccant packs as well (shrooms in general, not semps, because I haven’t had any yet :frown:). I guess it works fine. When I started, I ordered big 5l jars similar to this:



I noticed after a month or so that they weren’t cracker dry anymore, so I stopped using them.

Yikes… that’s big! Sorry for that :facepalm:



I've used similar to those jars in the picture but much smaller around 500ml and my cubes went soggy quite fast in those:lol: so I switched to the jars with the metal lids but yeah those will be replaced with mason jars soon enough. But most of the time these jars work very well and keep my shrooms cracker dry for a long time.


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 99.99]
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99.99 said:
I go all the way with the capsules and a vacuum seal
I’m sure doing this will last a couple years in potency
And by blending them up, I’m gonna get a consistent trip each time





I was doing this for awhile. I had one cap press that did 24 at a time, which worked well...but took a long time...
and another one that did 100 caps at a time that made a big fucking mess no matter what.

I never felt like I knew for sure if the doses were consistent. May not matter with semps, but I didn't
want it wildly off for pan cyans.


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