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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww]
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No one cares about illegal immigrants or ICE


 
  More bullshit I care allot . I don't like poorly trained dudes put to work before their background check comes back  with ar15s arresting women and children outside my gym or hounding my kids school .
    My wife is from Colombia shes dark as fuck how do I know they'll respect her citizenship and not detain her ?
  Of course I fucking care how ice does their job .

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he literally said ICE killed 0 under Obama. he's delusional


  What said I , specifically , was that they didn't kill any American citizens and I could find anything about them shooting anyone at all . I didn't say no one died in detention .
    Stop being full of shit , now you're lying for Trump while pretending to hate him .


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Edited by Psilynut2 (09/23/26 10:45 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: True North] * 1
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True North said:
Idk what to say if you actually believe that. Trump is definitely bringing in an ethnostate based on racial supremacy, but we just disagree which continent it's happening on.


You're doing no one any service or inspiring "political literacy" by lasering in on the most irrelevant detail, you're just being semantic and wasting everyone's time on nothing. Everyone in this discussion except for that AlChemical weirdo is on the same side being against this administration, yet you've been arguing with us for the past several pages over who we should be allowed to compare Trump to lmfao. Choose your battles, man. This is why the left loses to idiots so often.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
So no evidence any were shot ?


2016, ICE shot Gabriel Ramos
https://typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2024/08/01/armed-and-untouchable-ices-history-of-deadly-force/

2016 ICE shot and killed Fernando Llanez
https://b17news.com/ice-agents-dont-fire-warning-shots/

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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You really think that discounts what he said huh?  Glad you posted it.  It should give people pause on trumps policies and how dishonest the influencers on the right are.


You
he literally said ICE killed 0 under Obama. he's delusional.

As are you.


Me
He said american citizens.  You are trolling and changing just small amount but enough to be wrong.  I believe on purpose cause you said you want to stir up the left.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Near Dylan]
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Near Dylan said:
True North said:
Idk what to say if you actually believe that. Trump is definitely bringing in an ethnostate based on racial supremacy, but we just disagree which continent it's happening on.


You're doing no one any service or inspiring "political literacy" by lasering in on the most irrelevant detail, you're just being semantic and wasting everyone's time on nothing. Everyone in this discussion except for that AlChemical weirdo is on the same side being against this administration, yet you've been arguing with us for the past several pages over who we should be allowed to compare Trump to lmfao. Choose your battles, man. This is why the left loses to idiots so often.



I'm not for the Trump administration. I'm for not being so emotionally unhinged the entire american political theater gets taken over by MAGA sympathizers cause they understand that Trump has been unfairly railroaded.

You can compare Trump to whoever you want to. Just don't be surprised when most people go, wait a second, didnt Hitler kill like 16 million people, most of in a systemic way, the rest in utterly brutal warfare that included mass rapes and executions? Trump enforced immigration laws and redid a ballroom, how are they the same? Yea I'm not going to risk letting the people railroading Trump get into power. Which is exactly how he got his first term, and his second term.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gww]
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gww said:
me
You really think that discounts what he said huh?  Glad you posted it.  It should give people pause on trumps policies and how dishonest the influencers on the right are.


You
he literally said ICE killed 0 under Obama. he's delusional.

As are you.


Me
He said american citizens.  You are trolling and changing just small amount but enough to be wrong.  I believe on purpose cause you said you want to stir up the left.</font></font>



once again, i don't understand what you are saying.

I just posted 2 instances where ICE agents under the obama admin shot american citizens. I posted 2. But ICE agents killed 23 people from 2015-2020. Yes, a lot of them were under trump, but a lot of them were under Obama as well. And I'm not saying, oh well Obama did it, so trump can do it too. No what i'm saying is, the entire american public is being propagandized to over react to what Trump is doing like it is unprecedented corruption that is leading to hitler-esque facism. Not only is it not unprecedented, most of it isn't even as bad as most post-Reagan presidents, and definitely not as bad as most American presidents. And none of it is really fascist, or new fascism. Like we all were alive during Bush Jr and you want to act like Trump is some sort of new evil. Even the crypto scam is a drop in the bucket compared to what Bush JR and Cheney stole from the American public.

Edited by AlChemicalResearch (09/23/26 11:02 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Near Dylan]
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You should try reading through the conversation chain again and realize I'm doing the exact opposite of everything you accuse me of - which is break the hysterical name-calling. This time use your index finger to slowly go word by word.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 1
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I just posted 2 instances where ICE agents under the obama admin shot american citizens. I posted 2.


  It doesn't look like poor Gabino  was a citizen .
  It looks like one to me but it starts off like this . It's an unusual immigration operation or not even that at all .

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On June 14, 2016, several agents with Immigration and Customs Enforcement loaded a van with 2,000 pounds of marijuana, drove it to a busy shopping center in Chula Vista, California, and parked it outside of a Starbucks. There, an undercover agent, Special Agent Ronaldo Gonzalez, had a plan to make a sale.

When the intended buyers, members of a known drug-trafficking organization, fell through, a contact helped him find another last-minute option, according to court documents.



  But ok fine , they shot one citizen while doing a drug bust/ last minute entrapment  . Still a big difference .
 
    What I've needed was refinement and transparency . Trump has made it immeasurably worse .

Edited by Psilynut2 (09/23/26 11:16 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
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I just posted 2 instances where ICE agents under the obama admin shot american citizens. I posted 2.


  It doesn't look like poor Gabino  was a citizen .
  It looks like one to me but it starts off like this . It's an unusual immigration operation or not even that at all .

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On June 14, 2016, several agents with Immigration and Customs Enforcement loaded a van with 2,000 pounds of marijuana, drove it to a busy shopping center in Chula Vista, California, and parked it outside of a Starbucks. There, an undercover agent, Special Agent Ronaldo Gonzalez, had a plan to make a sale.

When the intended buyers, members of a known drug-trafficking organization, fell through, a contact helped him find another last-minute option, according to court documents.



  But ok fine , they shot one citizen while doing a drug bust/ last minute entrapment  . Still a big difference .
 
    What I've needed was refinement and transparency . Trump has made it immeasurably worse .


no he hasn't. the media has made it seem like it is immeasurably worse. and youre lapping up the propaganda like a cat  drinking warm milk.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 1
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Wow , ya you can just  feel the hate ....


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
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I just posted 2 instances where ICE agents under the obama admin shot american citizens. I posted 2.


  It doesn't look like poor Gabino  was a citizen .
  It looks like one to me but it starts off like this . It's an unusual immigration operation or not even that at all .

Quote:
On June 14, 2016, several agents with Immigration and Customs Enforcement loaded a van with 2,000 pounds of marijuana, drove it to a busy shopping center in Chula Vista, California, and parked it outside of a Starbucks. There, an undercover agent, Special Agent Ronaldo Gonzalez, had a plan to make a sale.

When the intended buyers, members of a known drug-trafficking organization, fell through, a contact helped him find another last-minute option, according to court documents.



  But ok fine , they shot one citizen while doing a drug bust/ last minute entrapment  . Still a big difference .
 
    What I've needed was refinement and transparency . Trump has made it immeasurably worse .



Psilynut2 said:
Wow , ya you can just  feel the hate ....



No i get it, you're more worried about making it seem like you hate Trump than protecting your mind from propaganda. I see it from a mile away buddy. different priorities i guess. enjoy your moral victory. I'd rather protect my mind than "be on the right side of history"

Edited by AlChemicalResearch (09/23/26 11:58 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Suggesting language isn't rewriting law, and epstein isn't mossad. Dude, you're talking stupid today


How is epstein not mossad?

It came out that he was organising meetings with bibi for people who couldn't meet him otherwise.

And his UN speech was abysmall.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly] * 1
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sudly said:
Enlil said:
Suggesting language isn't rewriting law, and epstein isn't mossad. Dude, you're talking stupid today


How is epstein not mossad?

It came out that he was organising meetings with bibi for people who couldn't meet him otherwise.

And his UN speech was abysmall.


I forget the term, but there is a network of "civilian" assets that the Mossad will utilize because its a mitzvah in judiasm to help your fellow jew. Robert Maxwell wasn't mossad but he was like buried in a honorary grave normally reserved for revered israeli intelligence. The epstein files specifically have Epstein saying "i work for the Rothchilds". But to be fair, isreal is more a Rothchild state than a jewish state. the star of david is nowhere in historical hebrew/israelite/jewish artifacts/literature/art/etc, but it is the family crest of the Rothchild's. Lord Rothchild only spoke twice in the British Parliament, once to advocate making unpasteurized milk illegal, the other to advocate the establishment of the state of Israel. Rothchild basically made it his life's work to establish the state of Israel.

so yea i mean Mossad is pretty specific. I don't know if he did or didn't, all i know is from the files that Trump released, not Biden or the democrats, was that Epstein himself claimed to work for the Rothchilds.  not any intellilgence agency. but hey, i'm sure if you work for Mossad you work for Rothchilds.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 1
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Who are you??  It's weird.. you are weird.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly]
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sudly said:
Enlil said:
Suggesting language isn't rewriting law, and epstein isn't mossad. Dude, you're talking stupid today


How is epstein not mossad?

It came out that he was organising meetings with bibi for people who couldn't meet him otherwise.

And his UN speech was abysmall.


And that makes him Mossad?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
sudly said:
Enlil said:
Suggesting language isn't rewriting law, and epstein isn't mossad. Dude, you're talking stupid today


How is epstein not mossad?

It came out that he was organising meetings with bibi for people who couldn't meet him otherwise.

And his UN speech was abysmall.


And that makes him Mossad?


With whats in the Epstein files, and known about him, he could have been a formal intelligence asset or blackmail operative, while some might argue he was merely an elite financier and independent manipulator who used associations with intelligence figures for personal leverage and protection.

*Also i meant trumps recent UN speech


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly]
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Sounds like a bunch of speculation.  Unless there's actual evidence he was Mossad, why claim he was?  Might as well be talking about space lasers and kubrick faking the moon landing at this point.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Do you consider material from the epstein files on him having close ties and relations with mossad agents,  as circumstantial evidence at best?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly]
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Evidence that he had close ties with Mossad agents is evidence that he had close ties with mossad agents...not that he was a mossad agent.  I haven't read the epstein files, so I can't say whether there is even evidence of close ties.  Again...before making a claim, be able to back it.  It's not anyone else's burden to fact check your claims.  It's yours to produce evidence to support a claim.

While I know you didn't make the claim, it was claimed that lawmakers were controlled by a pedophile ring run by Mossad.  Turned out that dude meant that Epstein texted a non-voting member of congress and made suggestions for changes to a law. You can clearly see the difference between the claim and the evidence for the claim.  There are a whole lot of assumptions and irrational conclusions betweeen the two.


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