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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper] * 6
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  seems that environment close to natural habitat for them.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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Well your fogger is blowing right into your tub, mine goes through a whole other tub first.

It also takes a bit for it to warm up, so how long you run it can make a difference.

I've ran it at ten.  But I probably wouldn't go above five with your setup.


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And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Muffa] * 1
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Muffa said:
Hello! Would you say this jar is bacterial? It's a jar of oats hydrated to 72.5%, sterilized in an industrial sterilizer at 15PSI for 4 hours (with venting in the beginning).
It was inoculated 11 days ago with two wedges of p. cyan Estero from a culture that has been through a couple cabin sequestering plates (sorry I don't have a picture of the plate), all sterile procedures were done in front of a flow hood.

Does it happen to you to have condensation in the area of the glass close to the wedge, similar to this picture?



Help me with my first pan grow 🥲



@Kloakk these are 2 pictures of the jar recovering from when I've shaken it 48h ago, seems okay for now! There is a bit of condensation only near the agar wedge (first picture).
What would you say?



I'm super paranoid about the spawn, it's been 1 year and half without results, I've not been able to get something to fruit for that long. I grew only APE before and managed to grow A LOT of healthy tubs.

But then I moved and upgraded to an industrial sterilizer and a flow hood, both tested by myself with a bio indicator in the autoclave and by leaving open agar plates in front of the flowhood.

Right now I am still telling myself that it's okay to make mistakes and that I just need to learn from them and to focus on the things to improve but I'm starting to lose that mental balance. I decided to move away from APEs because I thought that my culture maybe got a virus or the senescence was too heavy (the culture looked weak and I didn't have any backups). I recently grew ochras and got heavily bacterial tubs, so it means it has nothing to do with the strain of APE I had.

Sorry for venting this all out, I just hope to not look dumb for worrying about a little condensation near that agar, I'm not familiar with pan spawn and how it should look like and what details to pay attention to.

So, thanks for helping me :heart:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Muffa] * 1
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Early 2nd wave fruits...

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Muffa] * 1
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Muffa said:
@Kloakk these are 2 pictures of the jar recovering from when I've shaken it 48h ago, seems okay for now! There is a bit of condensation only near the agar wedge (first picture).
What would you say?



I'm super paranoid about the spawn, it's been 1 year and half without results, I've not been able to get something to fruit for that long. I grew only APE before and managed to grow A LOT of healthy tubs.

But then I moved and upgraded to an industrial sterilizer and a flow hood, both tested by myself with a bio indicator in the autoclave and by leaving open agar plates in front of the flowhood.

Right now I am still telling myself that it's okay to make mistakes and that I just need to learn from them and to focus on the things to improve but I'm starting to lose that mental balance. I decided to move away from APEs because I thought that my culture maybe got a virus or the senescence was too heavy (the culture looked weak and I didn't have any backups). I recently grew ochras and got heavily bacterial tubs, so it means it has nothing to do with the strain of APE I had.

Sorry for venting this all out, I just hope to not look dumb for worrying about a little condensation near that agar, I'm not familiar with pan spawn and how it should look like and what details to pay attention to.

So, thanks for helping me :heart:



Jars still looks good from here. With pans bacterial spawn is the end of the line in my experience. Most of the time I do 2 break&shake with pans and if they don't recover fast and look almost perfect I know it would shit the bed before I ever reach fruits and can skip making substrate for those jars.

A couple of excellent pan growers don't want to use oats, and I have to agree as long as there is other options available. I have used oats for pans, cubes and ochra with success, but I feel everything went a lot smoother as soon as I switched to wheat, so if you keep ending up with bacterial spawn, try switching grains, even for a couple of grows to see if it changes anything.

And dude, right now I was hoping to have several pan trays pinning and making my day, but a lot of my AIO bags look terrible, we've had a bad heat wave and that has made my grain jars dry out, condensation from hell in my bags and mycelium on plates are stressed out because of it, so failure is a part of this hobby for me as well.

So I'll do more transfers, prep more grain, practice my sterile technique and keep moving, that is the only option :rockon: Do you have enough fruits or are you out of medicin if the jars don't make it? I ask because every new species I try to fruit always get me a little stressed and I either rush things or fuck up :lol:

Sorry to hear about your struggle to get clean spawn, that sucks and don't feel bad about sharing bud, the only thing I read was that you care about your work, you're not afraid to ask for help and that you really want to do this right :hug:

Looking forward for next update man :awesomenod:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Muffa] * 2
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Hey Muffa.  I’d say I’m barely a novice on pans but I’ve used oats quite a bit for cubes, Ochras, misc exotics, and gourmets.  To me they look maybe a very little bit too wet but it also looks like the myc is growing fine.  Sometimes if it’s bacterial you can smell it through the filter patch but usually by that point it’s also showing up as stunted growth in the jar.

Ive tried oats for pans on probably 5 or 6 grows total (maybe 30-40 jars) and ultimately gave up on them because the pan mycelium just didn’t seem to like it.  I’ve gotten them to fruit from oat spawn but even if it wasn’t bacterial the colonization seemed to take longer than what others were seeing on different grains.

Oats are kind of fiddly to work with in my experience (ie a little more difficult to get the moisture right).  Even when I think I’m doing everything the same I’d have batches turn out different.

I switched to sorghum a while back and had a lot better results during colonization.

Best of luck and hang in there.  Mush cult is definitely one of those hobbies that humbles you along the way.  Every time I think I finally know what I’m doing I’ll get rounds of plate contam, bacteria in grain, trich, and on and on.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Muffa] * 2
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Next time after shaking inject a bit of sterile water there, I use around 5ml per 200ml of grain and it really helps mycelium to win this battle 😎
Before shaking

Two days after shaking

Two days after casing  (200ml of spawn:3 ltr of HP)


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Muffa]
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Quote:
I'm super paranoid about the spawn, it's been 1 year and half without results, I've not been able to get something to fruit for that long.



There was a russian grower years ago that grew pans without grains with great results. He just sterilized jars with hay and hmanure,inoculated with agar, then spawned this jars in tray, cased and fruited. i think with this method there is low chance for contams

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: R4cMan]
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Just sent a few trays of Eungai the other day. Followed Fahsther’s Tek with his slightly updated version of Mojave’s CV+. The grain was clean, so if it goes sideways, it’s all my technique. 🤣😂


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: CoolBreeze06]
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CoolBreeze06 said:
Just sent a few trays of Eungai the other day. Followed Fahsther’s Tek with his slightly updated version of Mojave’s CV+. The grain was clean, so if it goes sideways, it’s all my technique. 🤣😂





Awesome, I will be playing with this one shortly as well (and you already know they are fast AF), seemed interesting and cool looking fruits from what I've seen.

Edited by MushLuvR77 (07/17/26 07:36 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MushLuvR77]
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This millet bisporus jar showing incredible speed!



inoculated on july 9 only! Its been shaken allready from huge colonies and will be fully ready in just like 2 more days! crazy fast

Perhaps my first successful pans grow and first ever pan trip will be bisporus after all (got some ttbvi jars getting ready too). Tree frog would be proud


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris] * 7
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Clone tray comin in not too shabby

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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whats your setup that the trays are in? Some kind of dreamer tub?

Edited by Anomalocaris (07/17/26 08:30 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris] * 1
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It’s a jcm chamber

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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fahtster said:
Clone tray comin in not too shabby



Yeah buddy, I need a nice clone in my life, but I'm just playin' at this point, that's going to fill in real nice like.  What strain is this one, I know you have so many! :laugh:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MushLuvR77]
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For the casing my recipe is 1 qt peat moss, 1 qt verm and 80 ml calcium carbonate. Is that enough calcium carbonate?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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That's just over 5 tablespoons, nothing to be worried about and a good ratio.  I use oyster shell flour for cannabis grows so I always have it around. I save the gypsum too for Cannabis, used to use it back in the day (CVG or manure added), but no need, and no noticeable difference... 40/50 lbs lasts a long time tho' 

Edited by MushLuvR77 (07/18/26 09:40 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MushLuvR77]
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Hi everyone,

I'm a novice grower who's finally decided to try my luck with pans coming from some moderate success with cubes & ochras. Over the past few weeks I've spent a lot of time reading through this sub and many of the more advanced mycology discussions, trying to understand the reasoning behind different approaches rather than just copying a tek. I have a liquid culture of TTBVI arriving in a few days, and I'm currently putting together my first Martha tent setup.

I know that placing a humidifier inside the tent generally isn't recommended, but one of my biggest constraints is space. I'm trying to keep this hobby from gradually taking over the entire house, so a compact setup inside a closet is the goal. Ideally, everything—humidification, sensors, fans, and controls—will either mount to the inside or outside of the Martha so the entire operation stays self-contained.

A lot of my design ideas are based on concepts and builds I've seen from Tree Frog, Jake, and Mojave, since their setups seem well thought out and proven. For substrate, I'm sticking with coir for now simply because I already have plenty of it on hand. Since this is my first grow, I'd rather not introduce a bunch of new variables all at once if I can avoid it.

The Pan Plan

Agar
• 0.5% LME Agar plates
• Clean up agar and transfer clean wedges to sterilized grain
• Optional LC creation later
      o Would not make LC until I have healthy clone agar plates

Grain (Easy Millet Prep)
• in qt jar: Combine 1 cup millet with ½ cup water,
• PC for 90 min, and shake thoroughly once you can safely touch jar to homogenize moisture.

Substrate (Running 2 methods Side by Side)

• Method 1: Hybrid Gordo
      o 2:2:1  Coir:Manure:Verm
             650g Coir (hydrated with 3250mL water) which yields 8qts
             8qts Manure (May need to add 2qt water)
             4 qts vermiculite (2 cups water)
             Optional handful of gypsum & crushed oyster shell

• Method 2: Mojave’s CV+
      o 650g Coir (3250mL water)
      o 2 qt Vermiculite (1cup water)
      o 10mL True Organic Liquid Fertilizer
      o 20mL Jackpot Micronutrient Fertilizer
             Optional handful of gypsum & crushed oyster shell

• Bulk Substrate
      o Depth: 2in in shallow baking pans, 1:3 ratio
• Casing Layer
      o 1:1 PeatMoss/Vermiculite
      o Depth: thin, 0.25in max
      o Added after the mycelium has colonized bulk sub

Martha Layout (JOC Evaporative Cycle)
• Upper shelf: Ultrasonic humidifier
• Top wall: HEPA intake
• Middle shelf: RH and temperature probes at mushroom height
• Lower shelf: Small heater controlled by the temperature Inkbird
• Bottom wall: Exhaust fan controlled by timer

Equipment Specs
• Humidifier Output: 300 mL/hr (why my humidity cycle is so long)
• Exhaust Fan Capacity: 195 CFM (why my evaporation cycle is short) Probably run on lowest setting out of 10

Starting Environmental Cycle
• Humidifier ON: 15 minutes
• Exhaust Fan ON: 90 seconds
• Fan Speed: 1 (lowest setting)
• Repeat: Continuous
• Temperature: 79–80°F

Temperature Inkbird (ITC-308)
• Work1 Connected to Heating element, No Work2 for cooling as fan will cool with Room temps (70F)
• Differential Settings
      o TS (Target Setpoint): 80.0°F
      o HD (Heating Differential): 1.0°F
      o CA (Temperature Calibration): 0.0°F
      o AH (High Temperature Alarm): 90.0°F
      o AL (Low Temperature Alarm): 70.0°F
      o CF (Temperature Units): °F


Does this sound like a reasonable plan for getting started? I assume dialing in a Martha involves observing substrate conditions during a cycle, with tge goal to observe light dew forming on the surface, and them evaporating off with the fan? Are there any obvious pitfalls or things you would change before I get too far into building the system? I'd appreciate any feedback from people with more experience, especially if you've run a compact Martha setup in a small space.

Edited by Gastly (07/19/26 05:48 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Gastly]
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Did you try that  easy millet prep before? Because I did not long ago and it just didnt work at all for me. They caramelized and exploded a ton at the bottom of the jar I just threw it away. I got a much better millet prep if you want but it takes a few more steps. My millet is near perfect now


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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Tbh I haven't worked with millet before now. I'd love to hear about your millet prep.

Edited by Gastly (07/19/26 10:17 AM)

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