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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Lithop]
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Lithop said:
Feels too... fancy for me repeat too often recreationally, very theraputic.



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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Blue Cthulhu] * 1
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and speaking of psilohuasca… was just reading a Reddit thread where Terence and Dennis McKenna’s experiment at La Chorrera was well summarized:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/s/Jnl0grvIrI

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HyperCarbolation (Dennis & Terence Mckenna's Theory written in TrueHallucinations & TheInvisableLandscape)

HyperCarbolation is Dennis & Terence Mckenna's Theory about binding Harmine into DNA via ESR Harmonic Resonances generated by your voice. This is what Terence Mckenna is refering to when he talks about the experiments at La Chorrera.

"JK: OK, lets discuss hypercarbolation. Did Dennis come up with this on fly, sort of out thin air?

TM: Out of thin air.

JK: So if I understand you correctly: at La Chorrera sonically induced superconductivity was used to intercalate psychoactive molecules into the rungs of DNA...

TM: Close, say it again.

JK: You claim that Dennis used his voice to sonically induce a state of superconductivity that could bind or 'intercalate' psychoactive molecules into the rungs of DNA.

TM: Yeah, to intercalate these molecules between the rungs. Yeah, that's it in a nutshell.

JK: Are you the only specimens to try that?

TM: Yes, to my knowledge.

JK: So it's never been attempted since then?

TM: Well, it was hard to find a volunteer willing to go bananas for three weeks, which is what happened to Dennis, you see. As Bill Burroughs said, 'We need a worthy vessel.' (Laughs)... It would be very interesting to me, and maybe... You asked about my agenda. I suppose this is on my agenda, to gain enough attention that serious money would be spent looking at some of these assertions. I mean, can you use sound to intercalate drug molecules into DNA? This question could be settled with test tubes. You don't need human beings, you just need square wave generators and..."
- www.tripzine.com/listing.php?smlid=96


Basically here's how it's supposed to work:

Molecular structures with resonance structures (such as benzene rings found in all tryptamine psychedelics) have a specific Electron Spin Resonance (ESR) that can be heard in the majority of people who take Harmine (a psychedelic tryptamine which has 3 benzene rings.) If you take Harmine with Psilocin, and DMT, the DMT and Psilocin have harmonic ESRs and you can copy the tone you hear from the Harmine and then do scales (the kind of vocal scales that sound like a big machine engine starting up humming) it will resonate through all these tones and actually cancel out all the ESR of the chemicals.

This will (according to Terence) put them into an energy state very close to, or at, Absolute Zero. Temperatures approaching Absolute Zero by tens of K have only ever been machine confirmed in labs under brute force mechanical power. Terence said in a lecture I listened to recently: "If there is a brute force way to do something, there must be a sly and intelligent way to do it."

Around Absolute Zero things start to "stick" and bond in ways they would otherwise not do. As temperatures decrease past a certain (intensely cold) point things get stranger and stranger. Also, Tryptamine in combination with MAOIs have been recorded to actual activate some internal receptors very close to the DNA of neurons. So basically the Hypercarbolation theory takes advantage of both of these facts and theorizes that sense, Harmine is very close chemically to the base of DNA called *********, close to Absolute Zero it will bond onto, or in place of it on the participant's neural DNA.

This bonding of the Harmine onto the DNA will supposedly change the hyper-complex ESR of the DNA structure in a way that connects it to whatever force Psychedelics tap you into (according to Dennis, infinite memory, a connection to alien intelligence & any other humans who do this, and a map of space-time telepathically communicated into your neural consciousness via your Hypercarbolated DNA.)

Also, the neural DNA is one of the only things in the body that doesn't break down and get replaced cellularly/protein-wise over the course of time.

What are your thoughts on this??




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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Blue Cthulhu] * 1
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@ieatgravel- haha, that sounds like as good a use of free will as any to me. I only had jar mayo in the fridge, sadly.
:razz:
But yeah the combination IS powerful, eh? I fell out of the habit of preparing my set & setting with as much care recently and although spontainous tripping brings its own appeals, prepping carefully for this one paid off big time for me and I'm gonna try to keep that in mind.
If you liked the experience besides the black out and negative body feeling, perhaps well dosed extract and some better preperation could be the one for you too. Plus it's fun to extract!

@blue- that McKenna La Chorerra stuff is out there! But fun/interesting read nonetheless
:biggrin:
:lol:
Tell you what, dosing LSD the day after was a treat. Being already loosened up & primed I was able to approach, interact and play with all the ideas and feelings from the night before with detached clarity on the acid. All the while I could feel the work the psilo was doing to me still, which definitely enhanced the introspective/ meditation side of the LSD trip.

Brilliant weekend of tripping, been feeling steady all week & in tune with my life.
:carlton:
Oh yeah, I didn't get round to Small Soldiers till toward the 'first peak'. INSANE! Watching movies in that sort of state, they seem to be imbued with all types of spiritual meaning & weight, it's hilarious.

Edited by Lithop (09/25/25 02:07 AM)

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Lithop]
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Lithop said:
But yeah the combination IS powerful, eh?



How 'bout this combination?

Ayahuasca especial²⁴ ²⁵

Banisteriopsis caapi stem
Psychotria viridis leaves
coca leaves
San Pedro slices
Opuntia (prickly pears) pieces
peyote buttons
toé blossoms

This special concoction from Guillermo Arévalo is only intended for really experienced ayahuasca drinkers, and certainly not for beginners! It may well be the most potent pharmaceutical discovery of the
ayahuasqueros to date.

Christian Rätsch. ETHNOBOTANICA AYAHUASCA / COCA: THE “LEAF OF LIFE” [Ayahuasca: Rituals, Potions and Visionary Art from the Amazon. Adelaars, A., Müeller-Ebeling, C., Rätsch, C. 2016. Divine Arts. ISBN: 9781611250510]


I think more people need to experiment with the mescaline-tryptamine combo


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: s240779]
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I couldn't comment :wink: sounds a lot.
I've never had the pleasure of trying a cactus itsself!
:cacti:

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Lithop] * 2
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Sounds like a fun trip, Lithop!

I agree that this combo is quite powerfull, but less recreational than mushrooms alone.

I foud it very therapeutic, too.

Someone wrote it dulls the "inner dialogue", making it silent in your head.. I totally agree.
Like less mindfuck but clearer thoughts overall. Maybe this is what makes the experience less fun, more clinical. :strokebeard:

I also know these feeling that the head somehow detaches. To me it feels as if the head expands to the size of the entire room.
Well not the physical head itself, but the awareness of the things around me expands, like I feel all the visible vicinity /environment in my head as if it was part of the brain..
Don't know how to put it into words otherwise. :shrug:
Seems to be a DMT related thing for me, on ayahuasca (oral DMT with harmalas) I feel pretty similar, that's why I think the harmalas somehow activate the DMT part of the shroom molecule.
Psilo- and ayahuasca feel very similar to me. Not identical, but there are definitely relations in both mental and visual effects that shrooms alone lack.

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
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Pandemoon said:
on ayahuasca (oral DMT with harmalas)



The myth that ayahuasca has to contain DMT

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: s240779] * 1
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I've never really felt that Mushrooms especially need the huasca component in the same way pure DMT (certainly) does. For me, they always produced a very Aya/anahuasca-like kind of experience anyway. An almost identical tryptamine realm, while being incredibly healing/demanding. It always felt very similar to Aya/Ana in my estimation so I never felt compelled to boost it.

As mushrooms have a much longer duration than DMT (the perfect duration IMO) I always felt that potentially prolonging the experience could also be more risky psychologically.


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Edited by wolf8312 (09/26/25 08:26 AM)

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: wolf8312]
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I think Psilohuasca is a lot better than mushrooms on their own, though i do like that mushrooms can be used on their own, they just feel better in combination with Harmalas. The "Huasca" effects come from the Harmalas, and if you mix mushrooms with Harmalas it's then moreso Ayahuasca, just using mushrooms instead of DMT, so Psilohuasca, but it's Ayahuasca overall. Plus, Psilohuasca's duration can last 9 to 12 hours lol, which i like the 6 to 8 hour duration for mushrooms, or 4 to 5 hour duration for oral DMT, but a 9 to 12 hour Psilohuasca experience is very nice lol, and even the combination of Harmalas, oral DMT and mushrooms which by the time the oral DMT wears off the Psilocin is still going strong.


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
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Pandemoon said: that's why I think the harmalas somehow activate the DMT part of the shroom molecule. Psilo- and ayahuasca feel very similar to me. Not identical, but there are definitely relations in both mental and visual effects that shrooms alone lack.



Agreed. Harmalas do seem to ime activate the DMT portion of the Psilocin molecule, makes DMT and Psilocin feel very similar. The main difference i've noticed between the two is that DMT is incredibly Adrenergic, while Psilocin lacks the Adrenergic effect of DMT and is mainly/purely Serotonergic, so the Serotonergic effects are the same, but DMT adds the Adrenergic effects as well. So Psilocin, in the form of Psilohuasca, feels more like a lighter, somewhat more relaxed and gentler form of DMT, while DMT feels more serious and intense. For me Psilohuasca using mushrooms and Ayahuasca using DMT feel pretty much the same except for Psilocin's lack of Adrenergia and potentially some other properties that DMT has, but the they feel very close/similar. Psilohuasca also takes me to the same territory as Ayahuasca does, even with some slight differences.


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Sabnock]
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I'm sorry about dredging up a old thread but does anyone know if harmalas develop any tolerance? I want to try 150mg of harmine today to get a feel of it then do it again tomorrow with 2g would I be better off waiting a week or two?


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Link_save2] * 2
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No, harmalas do not develop any tolerance, if any then it's reversed, so after several days of use you might need less ammount for the same effects.

So, no, no need to wait a week in between.

150mg of pure harmalas can be rough to some. Remember it has no noticable psychedelic effect on it's own, but it's a purgorative in higher doses. 200mg and up can make some people puke already.

100mg are enough for psilohuasca in my experience. But I'm a small guy, though...

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
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I support taking harmalas on their own at least once prior to a psilohuasca experience so you get acquainted with them. 150 mg of harmine will be a psychoactive experience in its own right, trancey and laid back and even potential CEVs. Especially combined with cannabis.

Don’t worry about tolerance. If there is any from harmalas, it is mild and only after taking them regularly/daily.


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Blue Cthulhu] * 2
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So I dosed 150mg orally and in a capsule harmine Tuesday and didn't get any distinct effects besides a little stomach discomfort (not too bad) but I could definitely tell I was high on more than weed I also had a lot of trouble getting to sleep I only got like maybe 3 and a half good hours of sleep everything else I was half awake for and woke up a couple times throughout the night which might've contributed to my trip the next day.

The next day at 2:05pm I took 150mg of harmine orally in a capsule and 2.5g of some Cubes. I had a very slight tolerance so it was more equal to roughly 2g at 2:43. When I took them my stomach was hurting more so than from the syrian rue the day before and got a little nervous about taking the shrooms but did it anyways because I almost always get nervous before taking shrooms. I put on Futurama one of my favorite shows while tripping and sat in my chair and waited at 2:56 so 13 minutes later my stomach started to really hurt it would only get worse for a hour and then slowly get better over the course of a hour and a half. At 3:01 I could feel the mushrooms kicking in and grabbed all my essential items to control my TV and my water and laid down in my bed. At 3:12 my legs started convulsing like they always do and I just took deep breaths to try and calm them down a little which helped and distracted me from my stomach for a bit some minor cev.

This is where things took a turn for the worse I never freaked out but the intense nausea and visual started to get to me. At 3:47 so a little over a hour since ingesting the mushrooms I started to get reminded of a semi bad experience I had when I was inexperienced and decided to lemon tek 3g for my second trip. I then realized I didn't actually wanna trip I just wanted to take something and have fun and proceeded to throw up a bunch of lemon juice and stomach acid. This time I decided that wasn't the best course of action and I did actually wanna trip but not this hard. At this point I had turned off Futurama as some of the noises were too annoying and tried listening to music it was too intense so I started watching storytime videos of people talking about greening out idk why but it helped distract me. It also helped to past the time which was going extremely slow every minute was equal to 5-10 minutes. I knew if I could make it 2 or 3 hours I'd probably be in the clear. So that's what I did I buckled down and distract myself with YouTube videos occasionally trying to fall asleep knowing it was futile. At one point I saw a wrinkled piece of tape on my wall and it looked like a nose and then the nose turned into a side profile of a woman's face with beautiful hair going all the way down my wall almost like a waterfall this was all during my peak which started at around 3:50 around the same time I started to feel a weird pressure in my sinuses and head but mostly sinuses but it went away after 5-7 minutes. Oddly my pupils were still completely normal in a small handheld mirror I used to check. The mushroom subsided for a little bit around 4 then came back with a vengeance around 4:30 then started to go away again at 4:40. At 5:16 I no longer was on the verge of throwing up but my stomach still hurt so I just made myself throw up and I felt a lot better almost instantly. At 5:10 I look at the floor and my wood grain looked like 2d zebras sticking their tongues out and shaking their heads but in a really low frame rate. Then at 5:52 I finally actually started to come down a little and wrote in my notes this was definitely my strongest trip my other two were a 8th of ochras and 4g cubes. I forgot to mention the entire time I was peaking before I started coming down I kept getting hot and cold in different parts of my body and it felt impossible to get my temperature comfortable. 6-7 I started having tons of thoughts and thinking about myself and life and other people a bunch if I wrote it all down I'd be here all day lol. At around 730-8 I didn't write it down I took. A dab and my visuals returned to like a 3.5-4g of cubes level. Kept seeing this headshot of a pale guy with a black hat/hood of some kind and plague doctor 2d on walls and floors and stuff they seemed menacing but weren't scary to me it was like when you see someone in a Halloween costume. 9:48 I stopped seeing visuals on objects and just had some pretty colors in the center of my vision and minor cev lights were still a bit brighter then usually at 3:12 am but I was able to go to sleep around 3:50.

I'm sorry if there's any grammar errors or spelling im dyslexic and tried my best also sorry if I rambled on just noticed there's not a bunch of syrian rue and mushroom trip reports compared to just mushrooms and thought I'd do my part.


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Link_save2]
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I forgot to mention the entire time I was peaking before I started coming down I kept getting hot and cold in different parts of my body and it felt impossible to get my temperature comfortable.



Lithop and I have had the same experience with the temperature thing. I suppose it’s common with psychedelics to have weird temperature issues, but it felt uniquely difficult on psilohuasca to regulate body temp. Especially getting too hot in my case, had to strip down naked with the windows open and outdoor temps in the 50s and still was sweating.


Nice trip report, sounds like a difficult experience but you got through it


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