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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 1
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fahtster said:
Some bvi clone pins in a ziplock




Hey Faht, is the corner of the bag open a little for air at this stage of fruit development?  Wonderful pinset, should kill it as usual, went from the cube KING to the Pan Master (very quickly in my down time, then I comeback and topia is a ghost town), well done, you know your my favorite grower besides myself :grin:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MushLuvR77] * 5
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@Noah Keeper I gave your tub setup a spin and it is pretty rad. I'm liking it alot. My TTBVI trays were in monotubs and overlaying heavily so I peeled the overlay off all the trays, cased 2 and left 2 alone, and then moved them all to the heated water tub. I had to fool around with the tub for a bit to get things mostly dialed in but this is the result. Looking forward to the next set of trays.



I finally got some larger fruits too. This one was 3.3 grams.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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fahtster said:
Some bvi clone pins in a ziplock





I have seen a lot of your stuff. You are the Pan Man. You got any advice for me? I’m going to do ttbvi in zip locks this week. I am going to try to get some local hpoo. I have some but it needs to sit in the sun another month or two. Just curious what you use for sub and casing? I’m sure you have been asked these questions many times, but I see way to much conflicting info. (Links work too if I’m asking something already answered) thank you!!!

I am also going to be doing some trays in a water tub with my next batch of spawn. Should I do that before the zip locks? First time with pans.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SignedinStranger]
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I don't think the sprayer is the main factor here. My theory is that the mushrooms use a layer of CO2 as a protective barrier against drying out. They release it along the surface of the fruit body. When you have strong or directed airflow, that layer gets blown away, and the exposed surface starts to dry out and abort. Most likely, the mushrooms breathe mainly through the gills or the top of the cap, not through the stipe. That's why my tub works with passive air exchange and no fanning. The CO2 blanket stays in place, the humidity stays stable, and the fruits don't get stressed. It's not about misting too much or too little. It's about protecting that boundary layer.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper] * 1
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How long and what temp do you think is best to dry pan cyan at?

For cubes I would do pretty much 24h at 165f no matter what. For pans I would guess thats overkill since they are so small


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris] * 1
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First brf jar fully colonized (while the others are still fruiting and producing mushrooms actually). Sent it to a tray yesterday and now it looks fluffy so I'm going to pasturize some peat moss and verm, case it and put it in a dreamer outside.





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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Nate em All] * 1
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Open air fruiting, anyone? I had about 1/4 jar of extra spawn to fuck around with so I tried out an unmodified shoebox and a few mushrooms popped up overnight. Let's see what happens with the lid off and a mister blowing on it 24/7. I just to need to find something to attach the hose better.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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You might be surprised, but I don’t keep them — I just dispose of them 🙂. If I need to dry them, I use a regular multicooker with a dehydration function at 150°F, or sometimes I let them air-dry.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper]
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Noah Keeper said:
I don't think the sprayer is the main factor here. My theory is that the mushrooms use a layer of CO2 as a protective barrier against drying out. They release it along the surface of the fruit body. When you have strong or directed airflow, that layer gets blown away, and the exposed surface starts to dry out and abort. Most likely, the mushrooms breathe mainly through the gills or the top of the cap, not through the stipe. That's why my tub works with passive air exchange and no fanning. The CO2 blanket stays in place, the humidity stays stable, and the fruits don't get stressed. It's not about misting too much or too little. It's about protecting that boundary layer.



What temperature do you run your aquarium heater at?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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Anomalocaris said:
How long and what temp do you think is best to dry pan cyan at?

For cubes I would do pretty much 24h at 165f no matter what. For pans I would guess thats overkill since they are so small



I dry all my stuff at 95f to 113f, but mostly at 95f. Pans I can do in 6-8 hours at 95f in my dehydrator no matter how much I put in there.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AZ Starman2112]
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AZ Starman2112 said:
Anomalocaris said:
How long and what temp do you think is best to dry pan cyan at?

For cubes I would do pretty much 24h at 165f no matter what. For pans I would guess thats overkill since they are so small



I dry all my stuff at 95f to 113f, but mostly at 95f. Pans I can do in 6-8 hours at 95f in my dehydrator no matter how much I put in there.



What about this idea that some of the enzymes that can reduce potency in the long run are denatured at 160+f? Do you think its a myth?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: JoeTherapist] * 3
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MushLuvR77 said:
fahtster said:
Some bvi clone pins in a ziplock




Hey Faht, is the corner of the bag open a little for air at this stage of fruit development?  Wonderful pinset, should kill it as usual, went from the cube KING to the Pan Master (very quickly in my down time, then I comeback and topia is a ghost town), well done, you know your my favorite grower besides myself :grin:



Thanks man.  Sorry I haven’t had time lately to respond.

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JoeTherapist said:
fahtster said:
Some bvi clone pins in a ziplock





I have seen a lot of your stuff. You are the Pan Man. You got any advice for me? I’m going to do ttbvi in zip locks this week. I am going to try to get some local hpoo. I have some but it needs to sit in the sun another month or two. Just curious what you use for sub and casing? I’m sure you have been asked these questions many times, but I see way to much conflicting info. (Links work too if I’m asking something already answered) thank you!!!

I am also going to be doing some trays in a water tub with my next batch of spawn. Should I do that before the zip locks? First time with pans.



I appreciate the kind words but I’m hardly a master at anything… I’ve been struggling with get a clean pan culture for the last 8 months.  I’d recommend using a method that’s worked out like the jcm if it’s your first time.  Pans are very finicky and I don’t even have the ziplocks nailed down. 

I use a cv+ with 12.5% worm castings mix that’s pasteurized.  I really like it over any hpoo I’ve tried.  It’s way less likely to contaminate… even with slightly bacterial cultures. 

This is my current recipe per 5 x 7 x 2” meal prep tray:

40g coir
1/2 cup verm
1/2 cup worm castings
1.25 cup water
1.25 ml of both true organic and jackpot ferts.

The cv+ is prepared first with the extra water and then the worm castings are added and that’s vac sealed pasteurized (vac bag is immediately opened to let in air after pasteurization and I use it within a day)

This culture is my latest ziplock.. it’s still bacterial from my old plates but still did ok.  Next flushes will look better as is what’s usual with this bacterial infection


Things are looking much much better on the new disposable plates tho.  Excited to get those to grain after another transfer or two

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SignedinStranger]
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SignedinStranger said:
Open air fruiting, anyone? I had about 1/4 jar of extra spawn to fuck around with so I tried out an unmodified shoebox and a few mushrooms popped up overnight. Let's see what happens with the lid off and a mister blowing on it 24/7. I just to need to find something to attach the hose better.





Huh.  That’s a really interesting idea.  Let us know how it goes!

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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It’s depends on heater power and amount of water, but main target is keeping water warmer than room temperature so it’s evaporating

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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Dang isn’t 165 pretty high?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 4
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Faht's cranking out trays that look nicer than anything I've ever grown. If that's bacterial then mine is bubonic



@noah thanks for the reply. I'm gonna try it this weekend


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Awfullotofshrooms] * 1
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Awfullotofshrooms said:
Dang isn’t 165 pretty high?



Fairly standard dry temp


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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Anomalocaris said:
AZ Starman2112 said:
Anomalocaris said:
How long and what temp do you think is best to dry pan cyan at?

For cubes I would do pretty much 24h at 165f no matter what. For pans I would guess thats overkill since they are so small



I dry all my stuff at 95f to 113f, but mostly at 95f. Pans I can do in 6-8 hours at 95f in my dehydrator no matter how much I put in there.



What about this idea that some of the enzymes that can reduce potency in the long run are denatured at 160+f? Do you think its a myth?



Given the fact that boiling water makes active tea, I’d say it’s somewhat of a myth.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: AZ Starman2112]
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Once you really get going with Pans you're pretty much harvesting something every week. It's probably one of the better types of mushrooms to grow if you wanted to test a bunch of different types of dehydration and it's effects on bioassays


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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Yeah I definitely checked out you whole configuration and thought that was you I saw tuck the bag under in the corner for some Air.  I revived a Peace River print from 2021, but yeah I be knowing bro, Pans are a humbling species without a doubt.  This was originally an LC syringe, but this work is all me and a clean culture, but that doesn't mean it will do well.  Growing fast and handles shaking fine, so we shall SEE.

Man Faht, your bacterial cultures destroy, awesome work, I think Peace River is a bit more forgiving. I did decent right off the bat with them (no luck with estero or wild coast), I have 7 jars, definitely playing the numbers game.  I grew these originally on manure/CV, I don't think I ran straw, which I'm not a big fan of (messy, needs soaking, more wheat seeds than usual these days, but does the job and I usually have plenty around). 

I may do a few the Mojave way too, I haven't decided, I do have horse manure on stand by, Manure/CV has been good to me for Cubes, Pans, Tamps, you name it, but pasteurization and clean spawn is a must or like you said Faht, slightly bacterial and cya manure sub, not having any of that.





4 G2G jars and 3 agar drops, clean culture, fast, unproven and all looking great at this stage.  Almost 3 days post shake, Lets go almost 5 year old print!

Edited by MushLuvR77 (06/18/26 12:53 PM)

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