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Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind
    #2954497 - 08/02/04 01:56 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It i appears to have some kind of Volva but bo scabulous scales on the stalk or cap. Also no ring was present.

Any ideas anyone?



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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2954607 - 08/02/04 02:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Imagine me, giving advise to the guru of shrooms!

we gota see the gills MJ.
and know if the spore print is white.

Of hand it looks like a grisette, or maybe a Volvariella.


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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: shroomydan]
    #2954637 - 08/02/04 02:31 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The gills were white but it was dug up with a hand spade and brokew while being placed in a waxed bag by one otf the girlk students.

mj

Sorry. I usually am better than that. I did not think it was an amanita of the deadly kind but had to ask.

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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2954674 - 08/02/04 02:41 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't look deadly to me, but I'm still scared to eat Grisettes even when I'm 99.9% sure what they are.

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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2955481 - 08/02/04 11:05 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

it looks like an eel or snake is devouring it from the base


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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: I2ancid]
    #2955531 - 08/02/04 11:18 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it does. :eek: Freaky.


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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2955560 - 08/02/04 11:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I doubt it. Looks as if no ring was ever present and has a slightly different stature than any I have seen ever.


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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2955594 - 08/02/04 11:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

it looks like the shrooms that grow by me.
must see the gills pal. sporeprints will help too.


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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: shroomydan]
    #2956030 - 08/02/04 01:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

it is clearly an amanita, and the white color is not promising, the real question is did it have an annulus.

for the record, i'm nervous to eat a grisette when i am entirely certain of it's identity.


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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2956192 - 08/02/04 02:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not certain whether it's an Amanita or a Volvariella. If the gills remain white then it's an Amanita, of course. The lack of a ring suggests that it's from subgenus Amanita, section Vaginatae, rather than from subgenus Lepidella, section Phalloidae where the amatoxin containing deadly Amanitas are.

If you have access to Meltzer's Reagent then you can test the spores for amyloid, which will tell you for certain whether they belong in subgenus Amanita (inamyloid) or Lepidella (amyloid). All of the deadly amatoxin containing Amanitas are in subgenus Lepidella.

There is also a fairly simple chemical test for amatoxins you could try. The Meixner Test consists of putting a drop of juice from the mushroom on a piece of newsprint paper (that has not been exposed to the sun), letting it dry, then putting a drop of concentrated (8N to 12N) Hydrochloric Acid on it. A positive reaction is bluish. On the negative side, the test does produce false positives, but it is very sensitive and produces few if any false negatives. Also, make sure you do a control spot - use a pencil and circle your drop of mushroom juice before it dries, and also draw a similar circle nearby on the same sheet of paper. Put the HCl on both spots. Apparently some newsprint will test positive no matter what. I'm told that the Wall Street Journal is a publication that works well for this test, which is handy since there is almost always a copy about in hospitals.

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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2956225 - 08/02/04 02:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

[off topic innane question here...]


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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2956273 - 08/02/04 02:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Vaginatae

Vagina?


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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: MAGnum]
    #2956879 - 08/02/04 05:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Vaginatae

Vagina?




yes. you will notice also that the structure comprising the universal veil remenants at the bas of an Amanitas stipe is called a volva.


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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2958214 - 08/03/04 12:08 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

....who are these chicks you've been shrooming with?


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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #2958271 - 08/03/04 12:21 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Hunting vola with chicks...  he he he.
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Re: Is This an Amanita (Deadly) Kind [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #2962202 - 08/04/04 12:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

They are students fromt he class i am lecturing on at Chulalongkorn university. there were also three other men with us, A professor, a student and our school driver.

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