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Amanita Muscaria
    #1651860 - 06/21/03 06:45 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Damn, all this rain here in NY has been doing the trick. Theres about six huge ass yellow-orange cap amanita muscarias around my pine tree, any hints for how much I should eat?Thanks.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1651879 - 06/21/03 07:01 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

First go pick them incase a person like me decides to go take em first.. hehe :smile:
Edit- I found a guide to preparing them hereErowid guide to preparing A. Muscaria


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Gorian]
    #1651895 - 06/21/03 07:12 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

HAHA!Thanks man!I just want to verify, there are NO lookalikes for amanita muscarias?? OK and the cap is slimy, is that normal. thanks for the site

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1651947 - 06/21/03 07:40 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Actually, there are a couple species of Amanita that I think could be easily mistaken for Amanita muscaria var. formosa (or the Yellow Fly Agaric.)

One is called the Yellow Blusher, or Amanita flavorubescens, which is poisonous. It can be distinguished from the Yellow Fly Agaric by the fact that all parts of it stain pink when cut or bruised.

Another poisonous look-a-like, the Yellow Wart, or Amanita flavoconia grows east of the Great Lakes and looks very similar to the Yellow Fly Agaric except it is usually smaller in size.

The main way to make certain you have Amanita muscaria var. formosa is that the volva tissue will form "bracelets," or rings around the base of the stem.

Be careful when eating Amanitas!!!

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1651949 - 06/21/03 07:41 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

For the pale capped varieties of Amanita muscaria (basically, all of them except the red ones), there are several lookalikes. The problem with the term "lookalike" is that what you think looks just like them might look like obviously different species to an expert mycologist. Considering that Rod Tulloss (the guy currently working on a monograph on Amanita) has come up with over 100 new species of Amanita from just the northeastern US, and the edibility/toxicity of probably all of them is unknown, you should be very sure that what you've got are Amanita muscaria before you eat them. You are aware, I hope, that the majority of fatalities from mushrooms are due to Amanitas?

If you can post some photos (be sure to include the stem, including the base) of your specimens, we can try to reduce the uncertainty a bit.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1651967 - 06/21/03 07:55 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

ok thanks toxic man! I'll try to have pics of the amanitas muscarias soon!, I heard that the only way you could be certain if the spore print is white, thanks!

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1651980 - 06/21/03 08:00 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The spore prints of poisonous Amanitas are white as well. Like I said before, I think the appearance of the volva is the best way to be certain what species you have.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1652025 - 06/21/03 08:22 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Can anyone give me links to pics of amanita muscarias that are the real deal that show examples of the braclets that volva tissues look like?

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1652040 - 06/21/03 08:30 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I always thought Erowid had pics of them........ Or does it not?

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1652047 - 06/21/03 08:33 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Dude, have you ever heard of the search feature???  Try using it sometime! :smile:

Effed made a post not too long ago with some nice pics of Amanita muscaria var. formosa.

Since I'm a nice guy,  here is the link to the thread.  The "bracelets" that the volva forms are clearly visible on the younger specimen in his pics.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1652074 - 06/21/03 08:46 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry, ITS TOO LATE, I Can't think straight! Lol yea I was definately lazy.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1652082 - 06/21/03 08:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

It's cool...

So do you think that's what you have?  Don't eat anything until you post some pics and get the expert's opinions.  I don't want you to go killin' yourself, man! :crazy:

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #1652110 - 06/21/03 09:10 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I definately think i have the right thing, it dosen't stain pink when cut or torn, all i need to do is check tommorow to see if the ststems have rings, i'll try to get some pics up tommorw, their so nice though, don't forget about this post, come back tommroow and check everytime you come on to see if I posted the pics yet, thanks!

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1653415 - 06/22/03 11:23 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Shit!, something crushed all the shrooms uP! Luckily I managed to pick one from the wreck of broken mushrooms. It's small, ill have pics of it today hopefully,peace.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1653613 - 06/22/03 01:36 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Here ya go, finally!






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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1653699 - 06/22/03 02:29 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Well! is this the hallucinagenic amanita muscaria or is it poisonous!?? And would it be enough for my friend and I to trip??Peace

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1654179 - 06/22/03 05:56 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Did you guys forget about me!lol Please tell me if this is the real hallucinagenic Amanita, Thanks!

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1654394 - 06/22/03 07:13 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Hey shroomben...

Sorry, but I do not have enough expertise in this area to give a definite yes or no based on those pictures.  The first pic makes me think it might be, but I do not want to say yes for sure and have you get yourself killed.

Also, I'm not sure how much it takes for one to feel any effects from Amanitas.  It's been a while since I researched this area.  The Shroomery has a good section on Amanita info on the main site, though.  You might want to look around there.

Maybe someone else here can say for sure what you've got from those pictures.  I don't feel comfortable enough to do so, though.  Sorry! :crazy:

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1654463 - 06/22/03 07:42 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: ]
    #1654475 - 06/22/03 07:46 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Do not rush into mushroom experimentation.  Many come to a bad end that way. 



Agreed :cool: 

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1654512 - 06/22/03 07:58 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly, I can't tell from that specimen if it's Amanita muscaria or one of the similar species.

You should probably watch where they came up for the next crop. Then get some of various ages and let us see them.

Better luck next time.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1655533 - 06/23/03 04:22 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks Guys, How long do you think it will take for the next crop to come up, I don't see anything starting yet.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1655541 - 06/23/03 04:32 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Hard to give an exact time range... I have never read any studies on that sort of thing at all. I would guess that your best bet would be a little while after the next good rain that you get.

Just keep an eye on it, man! I hope some more come up and they turn out to be what you're lookin' for! I will be hunting for these in my mom's woods fairly soon msyelf.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1655962 - 06/23/03 01:51 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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Did you guys forget about me!lol Please tell me if this is the real hallucinagenic Amanita, Thanks!




Here is some honest advice: Don't do eat Amanita muscaria. There are VERY few people who enjoy the experience. Most people who consume this mushroom get extremely nauseated and end up vomiting half digested mushrooms all over the place. Sure you might feel a little drunk or retarded while this is all going on, but you'll also feel like complete hell. You don't have to heed my advise but I'm just telling you what I've gathered from other people's experiences.
I've got a huge patch of A. muscaria that fruits every year... I leave them there for people to look at. I've got no desire to ever try it.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1656394 - 06/23/03 04:54 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

i heare your advice man and it makes a good point, but I'll try it and see what happens even though i risk vomiting and extreme pain, thanks for the advice though!

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: shroomben2003]
    #1656735 - 06/23/03 07:29 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

jesus you could kill yourself, literaly, I hope you don't even think about eating an unkown amanatia, you though that amanita's are the leading cause of mushroom related deaths? Amanita muscaria is not poisonous, but other pecies that could look liek that could be deadly poisonous.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: gdman]
    #1656741 - 06/23/03 07:31 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

here's some advice: don't be an idiot, you do not want to die from amaniatia poisoning. It slowly kills your liver untill you die.

edit: it takes anyware from 2 days to a week to show symptons of poisoning.


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Edited by gdman420 (06/23/03 07:32 PM)

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: gdman]
    #1657381 - 06/23/03 11:46 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

First of all, Amanita muscaria is considered a poisonous mushroom. It is certainly possible to eat too much and die of them, although it is very rare. There are two fatalities recorded in the literature in the last 50 years, one involving a 2 year old child, and the other an individual who ate two dozen caps.

Symptoms from amatoxin poisoning typically begin 8-24 hours after ingestion. The time period "2 days to a week" is closest to the one for orellanine, a toxin from Cortinarius orellanus and a couple of its close relatives. Incidentally, it can take up to 21 days for the symptoms to appear for orellanine.

The primary reason that Amanitas are never recommended for eating (for any purpose) is the possibility of misidentification. Too many people think they know how to tell the difference, and it turns out that the set of features they're using will not eliminate some dangerous similar species. Until you can identify the ones you're interested in flawlessly and tell somebody else how to do so, you shouldn't even consider eating an Amanita. The vast majority of fatal poisonings are due to misidentification. Incidentally, not all red-capped Amanitas are Amanita muscaria, so if that's your means of identification, you've got a problem and need to study a bit more.

Finally, no, I'm not going off on anybody. I just want to make sure that the correct information gets out there. The "you"s above are not aimed at any specific individuals. They're aimed at anybody reading.

The information above on toxicity was taken from Mushrooms: Poisons and Panaceas, by Dr Denis R Benjamin (for those who'd like to learn more or verify it). Dr Benjamin is head of the NAMA Toxicology Committee.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: ToxicMan]
    #1657999 - 06/24/03 07:27 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I understand how you guys feel and I agree 100%. I would never dream of eating an unidentified mushroom under any circumstance. That's why I'm waiting for the next crop to come so I can pick a mature specimen and take pictures of it to see if it is really amanita muscaria. I am not an idiot who risks death and severe liver damage just to get high, because only those people end up in situations of panic.

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    #1658987 - 06/24/03 04:24 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

lol at mr mushrooms, thank you for clearing this up toxicman, the point is still the same though, don't ever eat an unidentified mushroom, especilly when you know it's an Amanatia. While it's true that it is posible to die from Amanita muscaria poisoning, but when used properly, this will not happen if your healthy and you don't eat an uber large amount. Gotta use your head.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: gdman]
    #1659018 - 06/24/03 04:33 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

People chasing a high so desperately that they'll forgo caution and do something they know could kill them is simply evolution in progress...the bad genes are flushing themselves outta the pool. I used to let myself get upset by watching so many people take ecstasy without testing their pills. There's no point...if they need the high THAT bad...they'll accept their fate.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria [Re: Boppity604]
    #1659279 - 06/24/03 05:57 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Rightly said Boppity604  :wink:

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