PuffM4gicDr4gon said:

Kloakk said:

My easiest substrate that gave good results was 70/30, Coir/Cow Manure Compost and done.
The one I use is:

Substrate recipe:
- 35% Coir
- 30% Cow Manure Compost
- 30% Straw
- 5% Rice Hulls

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Are you hydrating your straw before pasteurization?

I've only tried doing straw once and it contammed in the storage bucket. Since I was still learning to pasteurize I decided to cut it out for the time being while I got more experience.

My theory was that the straw didn't hydrate enough from just over field capacity coir/manure so my slow cooker didn't transfer enough heat to it.

I've since switched to composted manure tea so it's less of a concern, but I still haven't tried it.

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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:

Are you hydrating your straw before pasteurization?

I've only tried doing straw once and it contammed in the storage bucket. Since I was still learning to pasteurize I decided to cut it out for the time being while I got more experience.

My theory was that the straw didn't hydrate enough from just over field capacity coir/manure so my slow cooker didn't transfer enough heat to it.

I've since switched to composted manure tea so it's less of a concern, but I still haven't tried it.

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Mr Piggy said:

Produce a picture of this setup please.

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In fact tuttled I've gone through your body of stuff on here, to see how best to try and help get you some success but the deeper i got the clearer it became that you don't understand the process of what it is you're attempting - I'm not saying you're oblivious but you've not internalised the basic A-Z of a single tek.

Your contamination problems sound like an environmental thing. Maybe check how sterile you're being - don't tell me, just check.

I don't get why you're going out and collecting horse manure, that's absurd if I'm honest when T-F and Fahster - the people you consistently cite and request clarification from - have both demonstrated coir is the most simple, cheap, and  sterile way to grow P. Cyan mushrooms.

Our hero T-F did an excellent bit I was pointed towards early on, when I was having HPOO daydreams - https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29203412

"Manure is shitty" - it's a brilliant bit of source material.

I'm not tryna dog you, I'm just not wearing kid gloves for you. You're not demonstrating any progress and you're out here asking for input so here it is - Stop trying to grow off scavenged manure and just use straight coir with castings if you're that bad off.

*EDIT TO PREVENT THREAD JAMMIN'

T-F said it perfectly below. Don't feel ganged-up on that's not what this is at all. All is fair and without insult - especially given time has been taken to help you.

tree frog said:

Seriously, I'm going to stop answering walls of texts from you.  I know you have a camera and uploading pictures to the site is easy and private.  And I'm not going to keep putting effort in if you can't make all our lives easier by snapping a photo.

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tree frog said:

It depends on how thick of a casing I use.

Bisporus I cover the substrate completely, no mycelium visible underneath.  It's not exactly 'thick' but it's not as thin as cyans.

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Generic said:

tree frog said:

Seriously, I'm going to stop answering walls of texts from you.  I know you have a camera and uploading pictures to the site is easy and private.  And I'm not going to keep putting effort in if you can't make all our lives easier by snapping a photo.

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Proud of you TreeFrog, it's about time. 

you give so much of yourself away, that even I hesitate to ask more of you.  We want you here long-term and to not get burned out. 

I swear you've been rediculously patient with them.  It makes more sense when it's to give in a way that everyone can benefit from.  Like earlier when you explained genetics to me, some of that went over my head but I learned some for sure, and I assume others did.

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I do learn when I teach.  It helps me to understand my own thought processes better.  But yeah, I'm going to focus more on a project I want to do this next year than teaching.  I'm planning to write a paper on grass loving pans and grass/microbes.  Will take a lot of my attention and I'm sure I'll be sharing as I go along.

But there's tons of available teks with great instructions, and a community that is happy to help folks assuming those folks are willing to put in some effort on their end.  Like posting pictures when asked

tree frog said:

Generic said:

tree frog said:

Seriously, I'm going to stop answering walls of texts from you.  I know you have a camera and uploading pictures to the site is easy and private.  And I'm not going to keep putting effort in if you can't make all our lives easier by snapping a photo.

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Proud of you TreeFrog, it's about time. 

you give so much of yourself away, that even I hesitate to ask more of you.  We want you here long-term and to not get burned out. 

I swear you've been rediculously patient with them.  It makes more sense when it's to give in a way that everyone can benefit from.  Like earlier when you explained genetics to me, some of that went over my head but I learned some for sure, and I assume others did.

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I do learn when I teach.  It helps me to understand my own thought processes better.  But yeah, I'm going to focus more on a project I want to do this next year than teaching.  I'm planning to write a paper on grass loving pans and grass/microbes.  Will take a lot of my attention and I'm sure I'll be sharing as I go along.

But there's tons of available teks with great instructions, and a community that is happy to help folks assuming those folks are willing to put in some effort on their end.  Like posting pictures when asked

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Kunta Kente said:

How have you noticed bisporus vs the various cyans going around, on agar, grain, or bulk. As in comparing speed

Like, in speed if 10/10 is cubes, then on agar Bisp is a 5/10, cyan (bunnell) is 6-7/10, and cyan TTBVI is 9/10. On grain (oats or rye) bisp is like a 2-3/10, bunnell is 5-6/10, and TTBVI is 9/10.

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On appropriate media I find mycelium speed on agar to be the same across everything.  But I haven't grown a cube in years so who knows on that end.

Same with grains.  No difference in speed.

So, when I say slow I mean pin time.  Cyans if the mycelium selection was good, environmental conditions are good as far as heat and humidity, and the casing is managed well, they generally knot in under a week and mature in a few days.  Some will knot in a few days even.

Bisporus, chlorocystis, and SAO2 (beach pan/tea tree/mystery sa) are a bit slower to pin (a week to two weeks if conditions are good) but only a bit slower to mature.  But all are faster than cubes by a lot.

IND01 I'm still learning but seems to be in the middle as far how quickly it pins.  But it matures very slowly compared to others.  Cube speed on that end, maybe a bit slower even.  But again it's early days with it so I'm still learning what it likes.

Was discussing this image with a friend.

It shows a distinct split between cyans and bisporus that happened quite awhile ago.  I think most of the two spored varieties are much more closely related to bisporus than cyans.  And that cambos and cyans are closely enough related that calling them different species is debatable.  So everything I said about cyans applies to cambos too.



Here's the split.  And one of these cyanescens on the bottom is a 'cambo' according to Pollock.  Cambos and cyans are close enough to breed too.  Kinda splitting hairs giving them different names.

tree frog said:

It depends on how thick of a casing I use.

Bisporus I cover the substrate completely, no mycelium visible underneath.  It's not exactly 'thick' but it's not as thin as cyans.

They spent 24 hours in the fruiting chamber with a flipped blue plastic lid over the top.  And the third photo above was taken after I removed the lid.  And the fourth photo 24 hours with exposure to the conditions in the chamber.



Edit:  And 24 hours isn't prescriptive.  The aerial hyphae in this photo I'm reposting were the indicator, not Cronos and his counted time.

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tree frog said:

Oh and you don't have to put them in the fruiting chamber.  I'm paranoid about gnats atm since I moved everything onto the same level of the house my partner has all her plants.

I used to do this on a shelf instead.

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