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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Tree frog and kloak I’d like to thank you once again. Great to have some experienced wisdom. Some of the newer accounts seem to spread some uninformed opinions.

What is the story about Fahts tent? Got a link to that? I’ll check out your tub very soon

Edit: the grass is genius, never thought of that!

Edited by Dj_karma_magnet (02/20/26 12:48 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dj_karma_magnet]
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He's still working on the write up and might have it done before your projects need to be fruited.  But he talks about it soom here in his Ziplock thread.

You don't need a tent, just a fan and a timer, some shelves, and some lights.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29463215#29463215


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: angamshroom]
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angamshroom said:
Delicious BVI clusters.




:howyoudoing:

Awesome work!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: conz0r] * 1
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For real!  Those are some great looking bvi!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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0.5% LME (and 2% agar?) for Pans still recommended?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr]
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Quick question about storing pasteurised nutritive substrate.

Let's say I have amended coir substrate properly pasteurised in vacuum sealed bags — this substrate has been supplemented with worm castings and/or liquid fertilisers.

Can this be stored or does it risk going anaerobic if left in the vacuum sealed bag?

I assume it is optimal to use it as soon as it has cooled down? I think I read somewhere about Fahtster piercing the bags with a syringe several times once pasteurisation is complete and I assume that the substrate is then being promptly spawned to?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bongoman] * 1
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ansr said:
0.5% LME (and 2% agar?) for Pans still recommended?



It's what I still use.  Though I think Mystery SA might like an amendment.

bongoman said:
Can this be stored or does it risk going anaerobic if left in the vacuum sealed bag?




I don't know about the liquid nutrients but worm castings are pretty shelf stable.  Maybe poke a few small holes in to keep it from going anaerobic if you're needing to store it.

Personally, I use unicorn bags for pasteurization and storage, clipped shut but able to breathe through the filter patch.  They don't go green as long as they don't dry out.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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100% poke holes in the vac bag.. like a good amount.  Also break up the “block” by kneading it through the bag to aerate it.  Az_starman just had problems storing a vac sealed bag for 5 days and it smelled like a sewer when he opened it and it was unusable.

I would use them within a day or two, personally but some ppl will say they can store pasteurized things longer.  I’m just not that brave

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bongoman]
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bongoman said:
Quote:
Quick question about storing pasteurised nutritive substrate.

Let's say I have amended coir substrate properly pasteurised in vacuum sealed bags — this substrate has been supplemented with worm castings and/or liquid fertilisers.

Can this be stored or does it risk going anaerobic if left in the vacuum sealed bag?

I assume it is optimal to use it as soon as it has cooled down? I think I read somewhere about Fahtster piercing the bags with a syringe several times once pasteurisation is complete and I assume that the substrate is then being promptly spawned to?




A vac bag (as in, no filter patch) needs holes for sure. And faht's statement of breaking up the block is a must.

The reason for both is: Moisture and oxygenation.

if you leave the bag without air exchange it simply goes anerobic, same with leaving it as a block. It needs to be fluffy.

Filter patch bags can get around the punching of holes.

Still though...the whole point of pasteurization isn't "nuke everything," it's "reduce microbial load." With nutrients available even with a properly aerated and not too wet substrate it's simply going to recolonize with the survivors after X time period. Those survivors will consume nutrients and multiply. Although yeah mostly the bad actors will be killed.

So, the question is how long X is, but I would think it's best to just try to use ASAP to reap the actual benefits.


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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Edit: was asking about concentrations for the CV+, found the answer. :facepalm3:

(I assumed the former and have 3 bags of pasteurized 3quart coir supplemented with 20mL TO and 20mL jackpot each lol...trying to figure out if I overdosed it by 3x or not)


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

Edited by Kunta Kente (02/20/26 10:15 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente]
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Anyone try cv+ for their pans here? Looking forward to trying soon and would like so see other people's take on the tek


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Good morning T-F and all!

So I'm sitting with my morning spliff and pondering and it popped into my head that the goodies must have been sterilised out of my castings, should I just use castings tea when the time comes? Nd if so do you have a recipe you'd recommend plz?

We hope you're having a chill one.



Oh yeah and Tuttledspoon if you're still lurkin' my offer still stands y'know. I'm doing AIO tubs for pan cyans right now:



Top layer are all AIO's only 3 days after inoculation. If you're serious about getting it done I can help with practical step by step - if you're more interested in doing and not just talking about it. I don't have spare brain-width for filler, I'm doing up a few more today if you wanted to do it side by side.

The offer is there...


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Edited by conz0r (02/21/26 06:09 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Uzi] * 2
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Uzi said:
Anyone try cv+ for their pans here? Looking forward to trying soon and would like so see other people's take on the tek



If you are referring to Mojave's liquid nutrients, he has a lot of photos of pans in that thread.

And faht is using it with some added worm castings.

I would suggest pasteurizing it though.

Anyway..

Pan cyan(?) laos




Clamps observed on the top two.  The other two are possibly monos or mold.  So I transferred those to a water agar plate to see what they do.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Uzi said:
Anyone try cv+ for their pans here? Looking forward to trying soon and would like so see other people's take on the tek



If you are referring to Mojave's liquid nutrients, he has a lot of photos of pans in that thread.

And faht is using it with some added worm castings.

I would suggest pasteurizing it though.

Anyway..

Pan cyan(?) laos




Clamps observed on the top two.  The other two are possibly monos or mold.  So I transferred those to a water agar plate to see what they do.



Interesting! The mycelium of the top two look more ryzomorphic as well (for pans), right? Was it a grab and drag from a germ plate? If i inspect clamps from a tiny germ plate piece usually i see dozens of undeveloped spores and i always wonder how small the chances seem to grab a mono...

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: shroboo] * 1
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It was from a grab and drag.  I imagine how faint the print is, how fresh the spores are, how many we pick up with the swab, and how big of a piece of cotton we pull all plays a role.

I'm putting together an agar guide for pans and will include that technique in it.  I like it for germination even if I'm not going for monos.  Since it's much easier to tell if the growth is clean.

I'm also doing three drags, one on each side and then one down the middle.  This is komodo island.



And the laos germ plate.



I pulled the transfers off of both of these awhile ago but kept the germ plates in case I need dikaryons


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I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 5
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I swear I’ve posted this on the site but can’t for the life of me find it in the search function.  Maybe it was just discord and I only uploaded the pics here.. anyway, I came up with a way to “serial dilute” (spore stretching might be a better phrase) on the swab for doing grab and drags that I think you might find useful, TF.  Works great for both mono hunting and ms because you can pick where on the swab you want to pull the tuft from which will determine the quantity of spores with the gnd.  It’s a c/p from discord so I’ll quote it.

Quote:
put a drop of water on a swab tip and kind of “cut” into the very edge of a print to get a thin line of spores on the side of the swab..


Then I took another blank swab with a couple drops of water on it and pressed the two together where the spore line was vertically and rubbed up and down with the spored swab and while I did that I kept the blank swab still and spun the spored swab slowly (I don’t have pics of the process I only have two hands haha but I have after pics.)



You can see how there’s an even colored band of spores moving away from the original spore line that gets lighter and lighter until you can barely see anything in that last pic right before it reaches back to the spore line.  That’s where you’d take the tuft from.

The idea being that as the spores get more and more broken apart from the rubbing, they also get spread further and further apart.  So you have a higher chance of individual spores on the swab fibers. 

You could even not keep the blank swab in the same spot and turn it a quarter turn to a new blank spot half way through spinning the spored swab so you’re not transferring any new spores from the spot of the blank swab where it was being initially rubbed

You could also get a new second blank swab and stretch them even further by rubbing the new swab (and spinning it) against the spot of the original blank where the transferred spores were

Here’s a plate where I started with a thick line of spores and then used the tuft from just before I got back to the starting spore line.. so I couldn’t really see much of anything on the fibers



If you wanted to get more germination, you’d just pick an area closer to the starting point of the rub





A little side note… using mono hunting can be great for getting single di cultures from the jump.  I didn’t scope them because I don’t have one but I let these two colonies intercept each other



and after I saw what looked like a shift in myc types growing off both (I assume they were both monos), I took a transfer and grew it out and that’s what gave me the red spore weza culture.

Edited by fahtster (02/21/26 05:43 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 1
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Very cool!  And I did something similar with these but didn't think to use a second swab.  I hit the print with the swab, and then spun the swab in place on the print.

Then when I went to do my grab I pulled from the lightest spot.

I've also noticed that koh breaks spores up nicely when I'm doing microscopy with it.  I don't know if they'd still germinate in a basic solution, but I'm going to try your method with that and a water control!


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I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 1
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Also I stole your post for the pan agar thread :lol:

My partner is going to help with photos for the grab and drag tutorial and then I'll go through and get it better organized.


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I'd make a deal with God
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I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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:headbanger:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 11
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First decent flush of Pan Tropicalis. It seemed like these were a little slow. Sent to bulk on 1/21.



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