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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: DV8DUG]
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Saw in a video, Netherlands before the ban in 2008. Check out those big boys

It's a bit strange to think about how they were professionally grown way back and we (or at least some of us  :mad2: )  struggle so much to grow them today


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper]
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Wheatgrass is much thicker blades, so the environment is different than with thinner grass.

@kunta kente, the only grains I've had success with by themselves is wheat and popcorn.  I use other grains in AIO and they seem able to use them as carbon in that environment.  And others have had better success than I on oats and rye :shrug:

@churpee they're very difficult to tell apart without a microscope, and even that isn't a guarantee.  RDU will get sequenced at some point I imagine and then we'll know.

@DV8 peat casing definitely helps.  The recipe I use is here.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29483577#29483577


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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tree frog said:
Wheatgrass is much thicker blades, so the environment is different than with thinner grass.

@kunta kente, the only grains I've had success with by themselves is wheat and popcorn.  I use other grains in AIO and they seem able to use them as carbon in that environment.  And others have had better success than I on oats and rye :shrug:

@churpee they're very difficult to tell apart without a microscope, and even that isn't a guarantee.  RDU will get sequenced at some point I imagine and then we'll know.

@DV8 peat casing definitely helps.  The recipe I use is here.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29483577#29483577



Thank you very much.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente] * 3
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27609098#27609098

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28572884

A couple of threads Babba made regarding pans and grain spawn that can offer another approach.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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Churpee Choozle said:
Thanks again for the detailed explanation Tree!

Foreighn2891 said:
Churpee Choozle said:
Wait wait. So trop is a cyan, that means PHV is a cyan cross too?



visually PHV looks identically like syans



Mine had pretty, bell-shaped caps, more so than cyans. I really enjoyed the trip. But yeah very cyanish looks





totally different appearance ๐Ÿ˜ณ is that due to different environment?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr] * 5
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Yerp, these grew outside in a propagator, about 80% humidity, short and sturdy.

Here's cyan 'Burringbar' indoors vs outdoors in s flowerpot






ansr said:
Saw in a video, Netherlands before the ban in 2008. Check out those big boys

It's a bit strange to think about how they were professionally grown way back and we (or at least some of us  :mad2: )  struggle so much to grow them today





These little boxes instilled the pan love in me. Twelve grams fresh for eighteen euros. We used to eat these and go for a swim. Fond memories.


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Species grown so far

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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Churpee Choozle said:
Yerp, these grew outside in a propagator, about 80% humidity, short and sturdy.

Here's cyan 'Burringbar' indoors vs outdoors in s flowerpot






ansr said:
Saw in a video, Netherlands before the ban in 2008. Check out those big boys

It's a bit strange to think about how they were professionally grown way back and we (or at least some of us  :mad2: )  struggle so much to grow them today





These little boxes instilled the pan love in me. Twelve grams fresh for eighteen euros. We used to eat these and go for a swim. Fond memories.


unfortunately the only cubes and ochraceocentrata in my case was successfully grown, and the second one was way-way different then indoor

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper] * 2
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I prefer outdoor shrooms in every way, they often look better, are less delicate, don't take up limited indoor space etc. Also greatly prefer the looks of mushrooms among plants. As Dala says it's almost as if they're supposed to grow outside :awesomenod:


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Species grown so far

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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Churpee Choozle said:
I prefer outdoor shrooms in every way, they often look better, are less delicate, don't take up limited indoor space etc. Also greatly prefer the looks of mushrooms among plants. As Dala says it's almost as if they're supposed to grow outside :awesomenod:



I would too, but have to bring it out of my place to the forest, thatโ€™s take around an hour to drive. Last year had planted around 30 spots with cyans but June was too dry and it end up with a failure cause of dry soil

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper] * 1
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PHV cabin. What's the deal? Are the gnarly knots contam, or stones or trying to fruit? Looks like coral or something.  And some strong color at the outer edges too. Gonna transfer from there..:rockon:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mackload]
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Mackload said:




PHV cabin. What's the deal? Are the gnarly knots contam, or stones or trying to fruit? Looks like coral or something.  And some strong color at the outer edges too. Gonna transfer from there..:rockon:



Wired, looks like contamination, maybe sort of parasite mushroom growth along (mycogone)๐Ÿฅด overall their mycelium appearance same as any syan and as much as my poor knowledge allows to judge, the only Panaeolus specie gives sclerotia is cinctulus if I understood properly meaning of โ€œstonesยป

Edited by Noah Keeper (02/16/26 07:36 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mackload] * 3
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Not sure.  I think PsiloPsychin posted some interesting growth that looks kind of similar a few months ago but I couldn't find it.

Some casing photos.  Eventually I will put this into a pan casing thread.  These are both cyans.  I do bisporus differently.  But I'm keeping my conditions so I rarely have to mist.  And not misting once knots form.  The fast strain is an f0 nightcap* oregon.  The slow is nightcap.

12 hours after casing.  Note that the substrate is barely visible under the chunky casing.



Casing this morning (48 hours after casing).


Those are a bit dry so I gave them a touch of water.  Now they look like this.



And these should knot today or tomorrow.  If they do, I won't water again until after the first flush.

Three days after casing the faster cyan strain knotted.  I will let this ride now until harvest.



4 days



Nightcap is slower so it gets another mist.




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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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I've got a couple of BVI jars on millet that seem to moving along cleanly(?)

And now I've hit a state of paralysis by analysis when it comes to thinking about my substrate. Lest anyone accuse of me not having read this thread, I almost feel like I've read too much and have gotten confused with the myriad options on hand.

I have horse manure (field aged) and worm castings on hand, plus coir and vermiculite of course.

My initial thoughts are to do a Baba Yaga pasteurised liquid manure tea and hydrate my coir with that. I can readily pasteurise the manure liquor and away I go.

But then I read about CV+ and get a bit confused about suitable fertiliser products in my part of the world.

And then wonder what about a worm castings/coir substrate which also seems an option. I have read about just bucket tekking coir and castings but again, aren't sure if I should do a proper pasteurisation?

Maybe I am better off just doing the liquid manure pasteurisation/coir substrate?

What would you suggest a grower that is new to pan cyans do for substrate with the ingredients I have on hand? I am leaning towards a properly pasteurised substrate rather than sterilised or bucket-tekked.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mackload] * 1
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Mackload said:




PHV cabin. What's the deal? Are the gnarly knots contam, or stones or trying to fruit? Looks like coral or something.  And some strong color at the outer edges too. Gonna transfer from there..:rockon:



Like tree frog was saying - Iโ€™ve had that type of growth or something like it on uncontaminated plates. They were well formed little nodules of mycelium - sclerotia like. They often turn blue with age and grow almost as big as a pea in some instances. Bunell cultures were the ones that created these odd little mycelium blue balls on plates:



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Edited by PsiloPsychIn (02/17/26 09:39 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
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thank you. interesting they form here around the cabin roof, coming up for air. but not useful indicators of anything, not candidates for transfer themselves :shrug: Ill look up Bunell cultures next :hatsoff:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn] * 1
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I'm currently experiencing this type of growth as well.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bongoman]
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Worm castings and grain are all the nitrogen I use anymore.

I still pastuerize it but I find it a lot less issues prone.

See faht's comments here

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29476048#29476048


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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My BVI jars look awesome after a shake. They are maybe 1 days progress behind the cube jars (Machine Elf, Mac).

Bunnell is doing better, I'm no longer worried about them from my original 1/28 jarring. The 1/28 Bisporus shows no growth still :frown:

And literally nothing from my twelve 2/6 (all pans) show anything...hoping it's just taking a long time. Bunnell, bisporus, and TTBVI on those. their plate brothers look great, but nothing on the rye or the oats.


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Worm castings and grain are all the nitrogen I use anymore.




Thanks TF...and forget erythritol? I've seen some discussion of it as a substrate amendment.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bongoman]
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Ehh...

I dunked half a grain jar in it, spawned the other half without.  The erythritol contaminated.

I did do some experiments with shiitake blocks, they pinned faster, but the yield was better on the control.

Those are the only two experiments I ran personally.

Anyway, you have two full jars that's enough to experiment if you want too.


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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