ThurmanMurman said:

See, I didn't know "fanning" started out as just kinda burping the tub with lid removal either. Things get taken literally, especially when the majority of us started out by trying to learn through following explicit instructions. That's just how it goes when you have no foundational knowledge to work from.

Tbh, I've only recently begun to feel confident in understanding the principles enough to deviate from "coloring by numbers", so I get it.

Which actually leads me to a QQ that's related:

Adding a bit more air to a box with half developed fruits - I've seen it mentioned as a way to mitigate the added humidity held by the microclimate of the fruits, but if my fruits seem to abort, is it likely I'm overdoing it or is there something else at play?

---

Could be over doing it.. but cubensis are really tough so I'd be surprised. Especially with killer grows under your belt already lol. Could just be the culture itself. Might be a touchy one or there might be something sus but not visible.

Not trying to break the coloring book. It's a proven approach lol.. but here's another..
"All spores are inherently dirty". I know it's a better safe than sorry thing, but dirty with what?
Of course they are. There's a whole frakin biome and immune system there. Clean it up on agar all you want and you still probably won't get it all. The question is what is detrimental and under what conditions. Doesn't mean anyone should be bypassing agar. Just means I probably wouldn't do well in the military or a church because I ask too many questions.

Sometimes things just get lost in semantics and success can hide in the finest of details.

SuburbanHerbin said:

QQs:  To initiate a second flush on BRF cakes that seem a little light;  After a dunk & soak do you reapply the verm or coir layer on the outside?  Is this layer considered a "casing"?

---

the_chosen_one said:

SuburbanHerbin said:

QQs:  To initiate a second flush on BRF cakes that seem a little light;  After a dunk & soak do you reapply the verm or coir layer on the outside?  Is this layer considered a "casing"?

---

Yes it's a form of casing. I don't dunk cakes or roll so I'll leave that to others who do but honestly I can't see what it would hurt.

---

  Interesting... even when you first birth them?

the_chosen_one said:

Upon further inspection I'd say that's vert. Still not toxic. They're air chasing a little too. I'd put a light right above it. 10-12 hours a day is fine and it doesn't need to be super strong so I would keep wattage low as to not affect temps.

---

SuburbanHerbin said:

the_chosen_one said:

SuburbanHerbin said:

QQs:  To initiate a second flush on BRF cakes that seem a little light;  After a dunk & soak do you reapply the verm or coir layer on the outside?  Is this layer considered a "casing"?

---

Yes it's a form of casing. I don't dunk cakes or roll so I'll leave that to others who do but honestly I can't see what it would hurt.

---

  Interesting... even when you first birth them?

---

tryptkaloids said:

the_chosen_one said:

Upon further inspection I'd say that's vert. Still not toxic. They're air chasing a little too. I'd put a light right above it. 10-12 hours a day is fine and it doesn't need to be super strong so I would keep wattage low as to not affect temps.

---

I was leaning towards vert too. They have the thin base and underdeveloped caps that scream infection. But the question was why they cant pick a direction to grow. Thats almost always light.

Mushrooms are photophyllic. They grow towards light.

---

True, and that's typically the dominant directive, but they also chase air so they can sporulate. I can see some going to the holes and creeping up the tub sides where there's probably some leakage. The rest are like WTF?
Subtropicalis shows this more than any other species IMO. But they all do it to an extent.
I'd imagine the vert could be partially responsible as well.

the_chosen_one said:

SuburbanHerbin said:

the_chosen_one said:

SuburbanHerbin said:

QQs:  To initiate a second flush on BRF cakes that seem a little light;  After a dunk & soak do you reapply the verm or coir layer on the outside?  Is this layer considered a "casing"?

---

Yes it's a form of casing. I don't dunk cakes or roll so I'll leave that to others who do but honestly I can't see what it would hurt.

---

  Interesting... even when you first birth them?

---

Nope. Top watering the dry verm layer has always been more consistent for me.. but that's what I mean about the fine details. The current PF Tek has been corner cut to more of an art form than science. It works most of the time but has some holes in it that Billy had plugged. Like squeezing excess water out of the brf/verm mix by hand. That's not the original Tek and it opens the door to potential inconsistencies.

---

Gilmour Hendrix said:

With a spore swab, I am supposed to just streak it on the plate, right?

---

Phaethon said:

You can streak it, or pull off some fibers with sterile tweezers, or try to cut a bit with a scalpel. Burying the tip in the last plate you streak is good insurance.

But also, see the BRF puck tek by ReverendMyc. It works really well for germinating spores.

---

Man I need to revisit that. Sounds like Rev really nailed that technique. I've tried similar things in the past with hit and miss results.

the_chosen_one said:

Phaethon said:

You can streak it, or pull off some fibers with sterile tweezers, or try to cut a bit with a scalpel. Burying the tip in the last plate you streak is good insurance.

But also, see the BRF puck tek by ReverendMyc. It works really well for germinating spores.

---

Man I need to revisit that. Sounds like Rev really nailed that technique. I've tried similar things in the past with hit and miss results.

---

the_chosen_one said:

One of these days I should post how I do it from start to finish lol. It's basically Billy's original version with just a few minor tweeks.

---

SuburbanHerbin said:

the_chosen_one said:

One of these days I should post how I do it from start to finish lol. It's basically Billy's original version with just a few minor tweeks.

---

I bet a lot of people would like to see it.  Is billy PF?

---

Yeah Robert William (Billy) McPherson RIP. Miss that guy a lot. He was the one that inadvertently gave me my nym and a good friend.

I've always held back because the Tek is already written.. but maybe I should post that and then go over my tweeks and why I do them.

All I need is a little time and motivation lol.

the_chosen_one said:

ThurmanMurman said:

See, I didn't know "fanning" started out as just kinda burping the tub with lid removal either. Things get taken literally, especially when the majority of us started out by trying to learn through following explicit instructions. That's just how it goes when you have no foundational knowledge to work from.

Tbh, I've only recently begun to feel confident in understanding the principles enough to deviate from "coloring by numbers", so I get it.

Which actually leads me to a QQ that's related:

Adding a bit more air to a box with half developed fruits - I've seen it mentioned as a way to mitigate the added humidity held by the microclimate of the fruits, but if my fruits seem to abort, is it likely I'm overdoing it or is there something else at play?

---

Could be over doing it.. but cubensis are really tough so I'd be surprised. Especially with killer grows under your belt already lol. Could just be the culture itself. Might be a touchy one or there might be something sus but not visible.

Not trying to break the coloring book. It's a proven approach lol.. but here's another..
"All spores are inherently dirty". I know it's a better safe than sorry thing, but dirty with what?
Of course they are. There's a whole frakin biome and immune system there. Clean it up on agar all you want and you still probably won't get it all. The question is what is detrimental and under what conditions. Doesn't mean anyone should be bypassing agar. Just means I probably wouldn't do well in the military or a church because I ask too many questions.

Sometimes things just get lost in semantics and success can hide in the finest of details.

---

the_chosen_one said:

DV8DUG said:

the_chosen_one said:

Yeah the problem with the tall jars is mostly gravity. They take longer to colonize allowing water to accumulate at the bottom. Typically causes a stall. If they begin to stall you can gently flip the jars over and let the water get pulled back into the substrate.. but I would only recommend it if they start to stall. Otherwise leave them be and see how it goes.

---

Keep in mind that the dry layer at the top is your filter and turning jars upside down isn't always your best choice. Cakes start to shrink and verm slides down the sides. Wouldn't want to spread any arrested contams in this layer.

---

If that's happening you're all making your cakes wrong.
Too fine of verm and not taping holes. Probably too much brf if it's shrinking that bad.
I brag about my cakes because they don't do any of this. They rarely ever just fall out due to shrinking and I'm usually pounding to get them out lol. Verm layer moves just a little sometimes. That's the hardest part.


Now I don't want anyone to run around the OMC saying TCO says to flip your cakes all the time. I said when needed. It's an old school stall revival trick that I think has unfortunately fallen into the "debunked old info category".
I think there's a few things in that pit that have been misunderstood as the generations come and go.. like fanning. It's always been just a word. Only a few actually fanned with the lid and a few tried those little hand electric fans. but the majority were just lifting the lids when needed. Same as we do today.
The natural human need for improvement sure has caused a strange evolution in cultivation.
A topic I should probably start a rant journal on and stop derailing the thread.

---

Churpee Choozle said:

I totally get why there's orthodoxy and why new converts need to learn it. And deleted a long rant about it in the thread about antibiotics and syringes that's active now.

But hey. 'All spores are inherently dirty' just doesn't seem to work out on a lot of germ plates. And I used to let my cubes sporulate in vitro and squirt those spores straight to grain.

---