mushboy said:

chris77 said:

tryptalkaloids said:

Agar can be steam sterilized

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tx trypt, it sure can! question is how long to steam sterilize  in a regular pot when the agar is in the typical round screw lid bead containers…
90 min? overkill?

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way overkill. liquids are great conductors so you only need to steam or boil the agar for like 30min.

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the containers are quite thick.. will give em 45 to be sure
havent been without a PC for too long
tx mush

nocap said:

I guess I just don’t understand the need to cook a second time.

I am either confident in the success of my initial grain prep tek, or I am willing to spend $5 and try again.

Some of these guys grow stones in jars for 6months without contams.  So I should be able to trust idle jars on the shelf to stay idle for a few weeks or a couple months.

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nocap said:

I guess I just don’t understand the need to cook a second time.

I am either confident in the success of my initial grain prep tek, or I am willing to spend $5 and try again.

Some of these guys grow stones in jars for 6months without contams.  So I should be able to trust idle jars on the shelf to stay idle for a few weeks or a couple months.

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I've been leaving oat jars on the shelves for a few months before I use them, and so far, I haven't encountered any issues during the year I've been learning. When I prepare grain jars, I typically run about 20 to 30 quart jars in a day, and I appreciate how they dry out a little over time while they sit. I've noticed that nearly all the cube varieties and Lion's Mane mushrooms I’ve sent to these jars tend to colonize more quickly on the oats that have been sitting for a while and have developed a slightly dried outer layer vs a day or two after running them.

mushboy said:

dont run outa water

ive told this story before but i think its due again..

20ish yrs ago i pasteurized 4 or 5 rounds hpoo inside one of those big black lobster steamer pots and i stashed the pot in my dads garage without cleaning it out.

couple months later i come over and smell the most rank shitty fish smell and see my dad cooking crabs using that same pot.

i asked him 'uhh you cleaned that out after sitting in the garage right???' my dad stubborn as fuck says 'no! why would i? my garage is clean!!'

he proceeds to eat every last crab leg to prove to me that nothing was wrong and i was imagining the smell and green stains on the crab meat.

he died a few weeks ago and i never told him the truth

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tx for sharing

Nichrome said:

Oats are high in lectin content which prevents enzymatic degradation of the seeds. These lectins break down with heat and time.

longer shelf time = less lectin content = easier enzymatic digestion

Also oats are typically harvested using glyphosate or similar desiccant so all the oats are uniform at harvest.  These chemicals vape off over time.

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nocap said:

SkanskKorv said:

Really? I've had TCs telling me to pc jars again and I've also done so thanks to this and those jars have been just as good as the other ones tbh.

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I could be wrong.    Either way though, grain is cheap and time is not.

If the jars were prepared correctly the first time, then they don’t need cooked again because they are sterile and will remain so.

If they weren’t prepared correctly, a second cook is unlikely to save them better than just giving it another go from scratch.

I like to think of it as best chance for success rather than *could* it work out.  IRL sterility is a probability and we are all playing the numbers.

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ReverendMyc said:

I have pictures here somewhere to back this up. Did some side by side tests with single and double pc'ed grains and the over cooked grains either failed to colonize or struggled and took forever to colonize. Running out to feed the fam or I would dig up the pix.

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tree frog said:

ReverendMyc said:

I have pictures here somewhere to back this up. Did some side by side tests with single and double pc'ed grains and the over cooked grains either failed to colonize or struggled and took forever to colonize. Running out to feed the fam or I would dig up the pix.

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On the other hand I hydrate popcorn like cooking dry beans.  Forty minutes in the IP.  And then a full PC cycle.

But they're submerged in water during hydration, so maybe that stabilizes the sugars.

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Sandlark said:

Alright thanks. I was just worried that the temperature might be too high for some of them, or that they might require different amount of FAE.

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