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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Thanks again! Then I won't worry over the bispo plates, they look quite damn good to me but I'll still be posting pics when I get back from work just to make sure I'm not jumping to conclusions.


:whatwhatwhat:
Wait... You RAISE the temperature when you fruit bisporus? I thought you wanted higher temps while colonising and lower when fruiting...

I guess I'll have to adjust that then. I can probably maintain the higher temps but it seems like lowering will be hard at the moment since it's quite hot where I'm at and we've got no AC in our apartment.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 4
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma] * 1
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Skansk both you and me have to stop looking at shroomery when going to the toilet at work:laugh2:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke] * 1
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Puduwoke said:
Skansk both you and me have to stop looking at shroomery when going to the toilet at work:laugh2:




Toilet time is me time.

I do my shroomery research while operating the plasma welding robot and doing 4 other tasks at the same time so that I get paid while researching:naughty:

But this has indeed lead to many misunderstandings ... Seriously though am I going crazy or are at least cubes supposed to be run like I said?:crazyeyes:(Hotter at inoculation and a tad cooler during fruiting)


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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SkanskKorv said:
@kloakk

Well that's lovely to hear because I'd need some tips on brewing actually!
:leocheers:

I have never tried it but wanted to do so for a long time. I love alcohol but I hate alcohol prices in Scandinavia... It's absolutely ridiculous. Is it hard to brew Mead? I'm a total sucker for that shit :naughty:

Well you're lucky then ecaue that's what I'm currently doing with mushies... I'm so obsessed that my gf is completely bummed out oftenly because I'm reading so much information that I just have to share it even though she doesn't understand shit and she keeps giving me this look thinking "what's wrong with him?" :yeahthatsright:every time I say something because I can't stop yapping about it even though I want to... It's even worse when I'm on shrooms because I do the same but more and waaaaay faster and way more intense until my brain just melts:crazy2: I'm also currently using an entire room in a 3 room apartment for my shrooms and it's off limits to her because she's filthy:naughty: and I've also spent a ridiculous amount of money so far.

I feel ya. I also need to pace down and I have done so but just like 15% or so, the dopamine high is way too strong. I've got way too many spores to work with now (many of them thanks to you❤️), so many that I just don't have enough Petri dishes at the moment and I'll need tons of dishes to make transfers for all these which is why I've set my eyes on just a few varieties (TTBVI, bisporus, ochra and last but not least the semps and a couple of others you sent me including those cool toque f8:wow:)




For sure, the price of a beer is just stupid, as you probably know a lot of people from my country, drive over to your country just to buy beer :lol:

But yeah just ask away my man, I've never brewed mead, but I've read a lot about it, I never brewed it because I don't really drink alcohol above 8-10%. Mead is pretty straight forward tho, water, honey and yeast. The thing about mead(wine, cider and hard seltzer) is that there is no nutrients for the yeast and that often make the yeast stressed out and produce off flavours and then it stall.

With mead you don't really need a lot of stuff to get going, but you'll need a fermenter of sort, sanitizer, something to store the finished mead in, water, honey, yeast and nutrients.

When it comes to beer there is a lot of ways to do it, all grain is definitely how you get the best and most cost effective beer, but there equipment ain't free and it's the most work :muppet: Then you have extract brewing, and the last is FWK(fresh wort kit).

I'm not going to go in to detail here for the sake of the thread, but just send me a pm if there is anything I can help with :awesomenod:

To the rest I can just say LOL, it sounds just like me man, well except I don't talk about cult while I'm tripping, the rest of what you describe could easily describe how I am :rofl:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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SkanskKorv said:
But this has indeed lead to many misunderstandings ... Seriously though am I going crazy or are at least cubes supposed to be run like I said?:crazyeyes:(Hotter at inoculation and a tad cooler during fruiting)



No, cooler and closed up while colonizing, and warmer and FAE to induce fruiting, fam.

Keep humidity way high with my fogging tek (which I've taken down due to assaultiveness by others) or some other fogging, and alternate with FAE.  I have my computer set up to use Home Assailant to fog 20 min, fan exhaust 10 min.  Evap encourages the grow.  tree frog found a scientific article which determined that evap cools the fruits at tissue level and encourages them.

Spraying aborts primordials and pins.

You could also use some kind of plug timer setup.  But you need to be able to control room temp, evenly.


BTW, I'm thinking of relocating to the Nordics, due to 47.  Any idea what it's like to build houses there?  Tons of regulations?  Availability of Schwarzarbeiter?  Why isn't more housing built?

Edited by Dr. Smoke (06/18/25 11:26 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Kloakk said:
SkanskKorv said:
@kloakk

Well that's lovely to hear because I'd need some tips on brewing actually!
:leocheers:

I have never tried it but wanted to do so for a long time. I love alcohol but I hate alcohol prices in Scandinavia... It's absolutely ridiculous. Is it hard to brew Mead? I'm a total sucker for that shit :naughty:

Well you're lucky then ecaue that's what I'm currently doing with mushies... I'm so obsessed that my gf is completely bummed out oftenly because I'm reading so much information that I just have to share it even though she doesn't understand shit and she keeps giving me this look thinking "what's wrong with him?" :yeahthatsright:every time I say something because I can't stop yapping about it even though I want to... It's even worse when I'm on shrooms because I do the same but more and waaaaay faster and way more intense until my brain just melts:crazy2: I'm also currently using an entire room in a 3 room apartment for my shrooms and it's off limits to her because she's filthy:naughty: and I've also spent a ridiculous amount of money so far.

I feel ya. I also need to pace down and I have done so but just like 15% or so, the dopamine high is way too strong. I've got way too many spores to work with now (many of them thanks to you❤️), so many that I just don't have enough Petri dishes at the moment and I'll need tons of dishes to make transfers for all these which is why I've set my eyes on just a few varieties (TTBVI, bisporus, ochra and last but not least the semps and a couple of others you sent me including those cool toque f8:wow:)




For sure, the price of a beer is just stupid, as you probably know a lot of people from my country, drive over to your country just to buy beer :lol:

But yeah just ask away my man, I've never brewed mead, but I've read a lot about it, I never brewed it because I don't really drink alcohol above 8-10%. Mead is pretty straight forward tho, water, honey and yeast. The thing about mead(wine, cider and hard seltzer) is that there is no nutrients for the yeast and that often make the yeast stressed out and produce off flavours and then it stall.

With mead you don't really need a lot of stuff to get going, but you'll need a fermenter of sort, sanitizer, something to store the finished mead in, water, honey, yeast and nutrients.

When it comes to beer there is a lot of ways to do it, all grain is definitely how you get the best and most cost effective beer, but there equipment ain't free and it's the most work :muppet: Then you have extract brewing, and the last is FWK(fresh wort kit).

I'm not going to go in to detail here for the sake of the thread, but just send me a pm if there is anything I can help with :awesomenod:

To the rest I can just say LOL, it sounds just like me man, well except I don't talk about cult while I'm tripping, the rest of what you describe could easily describe how I am :rofl:



I also don't want to derail the thread, but I've brewed mead several times and it's literally so simple its hard to screw up. All you need is:

Sanitizer
Carboy (or some container equivalent)
Fermenter with bung/plug to fit your container
Yeast
Honey
Water
Patience

Other fancier items include a siphon to rack off of the sediment.

Go do some light research and have a wack at making some, it really is cost efficient.
:cheers:


Back to pans tho, so I inoculated my AOI jars on Saturday and won't be able to get back to them until Sunday, a late shake won't hurt right?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Axman] * 1
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Looking forward to the pictures!

And yeah, they fruit at warmer temperatures. But they colonize just fine in the low 70s. Think of it like, they are trying to give the spores the best chance of survival against competitors who don't mind when it's say 65f.

https://www.shroomery.org/5234/What-is-overlay

This is in reference to gourmets, so when they talk about the temperature being too high, they are referencing a species that fruits around 60f.

For pans it's likely the opposite.

But there is a strong genetic component, not all cultures are going to do it. Some strains are more prone to it than others. And some species I've never even seen it happen with (pan bisporus).

And I guess I forgot to post this earlier. I was like where's my reply lol


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Looking forward to the pictures!

And yeah, they fruit at warmer temperatures. But they colonize just fine in the low 70s. Think of it like, they are trying to give the spores the best chance of survival against competitors who don't mind when it's say 65f.

https://www.shroomery.org/5234/What-is-overlay

This is in reference to gourmets, so when they talk about the temperature being too high, they are referencing a species that fruits around 60f.

For pans it's likely the opposite.

But there is a strong genetic component, not all cultures are going to do it. Some strains are more prone to it than others. And some species I've never even seen it happen with (pan bisporus).

And I guess I forgot to post this earlier. I was like where's my reply lol



Good to know, I may need to look into heating my grow space then because its usually around 62-68°F. Hopefully that won't cause me too many problems.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Axman] * 3
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It will help with the tropical species, like cyans.  The subtropical ones seem less selective, but tend to do well in the low to mid 70s for me anyway.

I have seed mats sitting on my warm temperature tubs.  They're hooked up to a sensor and turn off if it gets over 80f.



Right now they are keeping the temperature about 4f above ambient.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Axman] * 1
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@kloakk:
I'll throw ya a DM you awesome motherfucker :leocheers:

And yeah I know... You guys go here, we go to Denmark and Danes go to Germany (so do we) because it's a tad cheaper the further south you come and god damn it shit is expensive. Cheapest 700ml vodka bottle costs like $23 and that's trashy "explorer":awedisgust:

It makes me happy knowing that it's not just me who's like this 😂 it is incredibly hard at some points though because I've been mentally exhausted thanks to all this...


Dr.smoke:
:whatthefuck: I really thought it was the other way around... I must've confused it with the research I've done with liberty caps because they go that way as far as I know.

I don't know much about building houses here but I do know there are plenty of regulations. The quality director at work just had a new house built and it's restricted by which area you're in and specific neighborhoods have specific designs you must follow in many places. It seems like a pain in the ass. It might be easier if you buy land a bit further out but there will still be hard regulations but I'd definitely have someone else's opinion on this as well and I can only talk about Sweden:rockon:

I'm not certain what you mean by Schwarzarbeiter but if it is what I think then there are possibilities for that depending on what you work as but I have to promote honest work. Perhaps I misunderstood you?


@axman:
God damn it I thought it would be tricky but this is splendid news! I'll be looking into it, I should've done earlier but here we are...  I'm definitely trying soon.:naughty:

About the AIO jars. I just did that and asked about it and it's fine to do so but very unnecessary and it will take way more time to recover. It took 6 days or so for it to recover. I'd say just let it finish, I wasted time by doing late shakes.:mad2:


Edit: replied to someone who didn't refer to me, carry on.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 1
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Yeah and I meant the post I forgot to post for you :lol:


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Oh so you did refer to me?:lol: Fuck... I need to stop smoking :stoned:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 1
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Well I was trying to refer to you. But I was stoned and I forgot to hit continue :lol:

Then I logged back in and found what I had typed still sitting there and that dr smoke had already answered your question anyway.  But I sent it and it tagged axman instead.

I'm looking forward to seeing your plates :smile:  And the link above about overlay was for your benefit. It makes sense that you could be confused because it usually is presented as dropping the temperature, but that's because most of the literature on it is for a cold weather gourmet species.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Oh lord so we're both stoned... No wonder we can't get out shit Straight, you get a high five and you gained even more respect points sis✋:awehigh:

I'll be posting them soon! I'll take a look at that link after dinner:rockon:

And yeah I've been awfully confused over this now tbh... The weed ain't helping this lol but yeah I need to get this straight, I don't fully understand what's bad with overlay yet. I've had some weird overlays on pf cakes but didn't even get much of an overlay on my TTBVI trays and I had a hard time noticing any difference except the funky looking B+ shrooms the cakes got after that.  They didn't change sizes they just looked weird.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 10
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My zero-effort pan grow coming up alright. Expecting more midget fruits, but plenty enough to trip absolute nuts on



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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SkanskKorv said:
I've had some weird overlays on pf cakes but didn't even get much of an overlay on my TTBVI trays and I had a hard time noticing any difference except the funky looking B+ shrooms the cakes got after that.  They didn't change sizes they just looked weird.



Back to basics when things go sideways.

And schwartzarbeiter seems to == Svarta arbetare, pretty much a necessity to stay economic.  Should be plenty of immigrants.  I am hoping for DK, although they are clamping down on immigrants (at least the economic migrants), but my heritage is SE.  I'd need to drive it to decode on outskirts of Copenhagen, Aarhus, or Odense;  Stockholm, Gothenburg, or Malmo.  Biggest concern is learning the language as I am 104yo.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dr. Smoke]
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Dr. Smoke said:
SkanskKorv said:
I've had some weird overlays on pf cakes but didn't even get much of an overlay on my TTBVI trays and I had a hard time noticing any difference except the funky looking B+ shrooms the cakes got after that.  They didn't change sizes they just looked weird.



Back to basics when things go sideways.

And schwartzarbeiter seems to == Svarta arbetare, pretty much a necessity to stay economic.  Should be plenty of immigrants.  I am hoping for DK, although they are clamping down on immigrants (at least the economic migrants), but my heritage is SE.  I'd need to drive it to decode on outskirts of Copenhagen, Aarhus, or Odense;  Stockholm, Gothenburg, or Malmo.  Biggest concern is learning the language as I am 104yo.




No it's not a necessity. It's not hard at all to make a good living wage while paying taxes in Sweden.

I sincerely hope you don't come our way if this is your mindset.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Okay these pics are trash so I'll try to take new in the morning when it's daylight. But I think they're good enough for now! Excuse the noobish tape solution:crazyeyes:




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 2
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"Noobish Tape Solution" sounds like a great concept album title. Of course, it would need to be recorded entirely on cassette tapes.


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