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[Re: KittoMyco]
#29239922 - 06/05/25 12:42 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

KittoMyco said:

Okay yeah im probably just gonna thug it out and inoculate tomorrow then. If anything im more worried about bacteria. Thanks!

Just save your progress (aka agar)

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#29239923 - 06/05/25 12:43 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

tripdawg420 said:

Would you be willing to run some tubs side by side and do your way and everyone else's way and just see if everyone else's way performs worse and then maybe it won't matter as much to you if you see they don't. If it works then why argue. There's nothing wrong with evolving.

This website is full of outdated information. 5 years or more. If you search fruiting conditions I would imagine your way would show up in the 5 years or older category. If not it will inevitably end up so.

Seems like the only thing that may change you're mind(or not) is to do it yourself and get soe personal proof before dogging everyone else's proven method.

And in the end if you still feel so strongly then agree to disagree and move on.

Also so far you havnt actually givin any scientific evidence or explanations and faht absolutely has.

Just sayin.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers

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#29239925 - 06/05/25 12:45 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

i wasnt arguing i was debating saying real shit proof can u plz explaine to me how fruit at spawn works vs why would one do that instead of colonizezing to 100 %

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#29239926 - 06/05/25 12:48 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

We're lucky cubes tolerate low O2 enviroments, I can tell you from experience most species will not!

Mycelium is aerobic, it likes oxygen, all the nasty shit you don't want to grow tolerates or prefers an anaerobic environment.

The only time I have ever seen pin mold was on a tray of Pans I had consolidating in a cupboard with the lid on.

Every case of pin or cobweb mold I've seen comes from someone choking off their tubs.

I would only ever restrict FAE as much as is required to maintain proper humidity and preserve the substrates moisture content.

Mushrooms love FAE, contamination loves stagnant air, I'd give the organism I want to grow what it wants :shrug:

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#29239927 - 06/05/25 12:50 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

colonization and fruiting are 2 very diffrent steps in cultivating :thumbup:

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#29239928 - 06/05/25 12:51 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I all know is it works.

And
It's still colonizes 100% before it actually fruits..
Everyone else has explained why introducing Fae immediately at spawn. Is beneficial.

And you have nice. looking tubs too

:shrug:

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#29239930 - 06/05/25 01:02 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

so it goes to 100% then fruits the whole time w fresh air :shrug:

:shrug:

so the 2 main pinning triggers are idk

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#29239934 - 06/05/25 01:11 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

you don’t have two fruiting conditions the tubs have air flow the colonizing part is a myth the tubs are always ‘fruiting’.

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#29239936 - 06/05/25 01:14 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

mushboy said:

you don’t have two fruiting conditions the tubs have air flow the colonizing part is a myth the tubs are always ‘fruiting’.

a myth why jars and tubs fruit at 100% jars tubs idk even agar plates get fully colonized anf fruit

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#29239937 - 06/05/25 01:16 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

why is a tub diffrent :shrug:

:shrug:

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#29239942 - 06/05/25 01:27 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

tripdawg420 said:

well the pinning triggers full colonization and fresh air evaporation off the sub oh frequint eviorment changes fanning
i didnt wana swing my lil dick around but here

man i know how to fruit tubs

Look man I am not questioning your ability to grow cubes, I am just not certain your success is dependent of doing a two step process when you spawn to bulk substrate. I think you would have the same results if you dialed in a tub from the beginning, but for less work.

I like the suggestion callmehippie proposed, why not do a couple of tubs where you do a side by side with one straight to fruiting and one where you restrict FAE, it could be a fun experiment right?

And just so you know, I like it when you "swing your lil dick around", nice tubs :awesomenod:

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#29239945 - 06/05/25 01:40 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

shit i got more :rockon:

:rockon:

my lil pp
second flushes and all :mushroom2:

:mushroom2:

but on some real shit fruit at full colonization :headbang3:

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#29239952 - 06/05/25 01:57 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I thought we were discussing if having a "colonisation" phase at S2B is beneficial or not?

I'm saying it's not because once you open your jars and mix your spawn in with bulk, you are no longer growing in a sterile environment and therefore should maintain an environment beneficial for mycelium growth, and choking off a tub is not that because mycelium is aerobic and nasty shit is anaerobic :shrug:

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#29239953 - 06/05/25 01:59 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

the myc still has to colonize the sub then once it nothing else to eat it realizes it and takes in next steps that it to fruit and drop spores

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#29239961 - 06/05/25 02:12 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I am not disagreeing with that, but I questioning the practice of having a colonisation phase, i.e. choking the tub until it's 100% before opening up holes to introduce FAE.

What is the benefit of differentiating between colonisation and fruiting, and choking that tub up until fruiting?

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#29239962 - 06/05/25 02:14 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

tripdawg420 said:

shit i got more my lil pp
second flushes and all

but on some real shit fruit at full colonization

Nice

:naughty:

tripdawg420 said:

the myc still has to colonize the sub then once it nothing else to eat it realizes it and takes in next steps that it to fruit and drop spores

Yes it has to colonize the sub, but it would probably do it faster and more efficiently if you don't restrict air exchange. How much air exchange it needs is hard to say, and for all we know you might be giving it enough even tho you restrict it for the first 10 days.

What we are proposing is that it is not needed, and could be more harmful then beneficial, especially for new growers that don't know what to look for and what a healthy tub looks like.

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#29239964 - 06/05/25 02:16 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

well ur doing what jars do when ur letting it colonize jars dont get fae colonization isnt fae :shrug:

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#29239965 - 06/05/25 02:19 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Kloakk said:

tripdawg420 said:

shit i got more my lil pp
second flushes and all

but on some real shit fruit at full colonization

Nice

tripdawg420 said:

the myc still has to colonize the sub then once it nothing else to eat it realizes it and takes in next steps that it to fruit and drop spores

Yes it has to colonize the sub, but it would probably do it faster and more efficiently if you don't restrict air exchange. How much air exchange it needs is hard to say, and for all we know you might be giving it enough even tho you restrict it for the first 10 days.

What we are proposing is that it is not needed, and could be more harmful then beneficial, especially for new growers that don't know what to look for and what a healthy tub looks like.

idk i see some weird shit and wana learn about it but no one is explaining shit to me like i expalined why full colinzation works :shrug:

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#29239969 - 06/05/25 02:27 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

tripdawg420 said:

idk i see some weird shit and wana learn about it but no one is explaining shit to me like i explained why full colonization works

The reason we restrict air exchange while mycelium is colonizing a jar is because the filter needed for avoiding contamination don't allow more air exchange, the mycelium in a jar does okay under that condition because there's no competition in the jar, but it is not thriving, it's surviving.

When you spawn to bulk sterile conditions is out the window and there is no longer a reason to not give the mycelium what it needs to thrive.

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Edited by Kloakk (06/05/25 02:48 AM)

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#29239971 - 06/05/25 02:36 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

:crazy2:

:eek:

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