Smellyhobbit said:

I’ll try making up some 50/50 jiffy and verm. See what happens.

My semps also did that with a verm only casing lol. Best results I’ve personally had with semps was a light sprinkling of coir once it was ready to fruit. Hardly even something you’d call a casing but it worked great.

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Might have to give that a go.

Mackload said:

Panaeolus bisporus trip report here if interested

tl;dr bit of a rough ride, ended extremely well. not so different than cubes?

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Excellent trip report.

Cubes have been less consistent in my experience with them.  Not in terms of potency, but like clarity and depth vs confusion and stuck.

Bispos affect on the audio cortex is probably what I find most interesting too.  I know a lot of us apes tend to identify with our thoughts, and perceptual changes in the audio cortex can help us to let go of some of the stories we tell ourselves that might not be true.

At least, that's been my experience.  And bispo is consistent in this.

Chlorocystis had some interesting audio characteristics as well, but I wasn't in a good headspace when I tested it and got lost in some dark narratives.

With bispo I always feel like they are there, to guide me home if I'm lost.  Could be my biases though

But I had a very similar experience my first time with them where I started to go into some darkness, and they showed up to let me know that they were there holding space. I did not have the same experience with chloro.

Mackload said:

Panaeolus bisporus trip report here if interested

tl;dr bit of a rough ride, ended extremely well. not so different than cubes?

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Thanks for sharing Great read and I have a lot of the same thoughts that you had when I'm on shrooms, I might be overstepping here, but I wished there where more paragraphs

Asura said:

@Kloakk Those grows are totally sick. Damn.

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Thank you legend

Kloakk said:

Pasteurized, pH adjusted 50/50 cactus soil/verm gave me okay results, pasteurized, pH adjusted 100% cactus soil took a lot longer to pin, few fruits first flush, but a pretty good second flush. 100% coir casing also gave okay results. My best results I got with pasteurized pH adjusted 50/40/10 coir/cactus soil/verm.




It's the only two trays I've done with that casing so not much to go by, but I just spawned TTBVI to 8 new trays yesterday and will use the same casing on them and report back.

I think the most important part about a casing is creating a constant, oxygen rich and humid microclimate a few mm above the colonized substrate. Cactus soil alone got to compact for my taste and I have a hard time keeping track of the moisture content with a verm only casing and that is probably why I can't seem to get it right.

Just verm(semps)


50/50 cactus soil/verm


The little experience I have with casing is that I get best results when I pasteurize it, pH adjust it, keep it aerated, be as careful as possible when applying it not to compress it, even depth, leveled and humid but not soggy.

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SkanskKorv said:

Jesus... That explains why I didn't get many shrooms with just verm... Never doing that again.

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I think it's important to point out that I believe we could achieve good results with 100% verm casing for pans, but I don't have the skills to track moisture level with it and that is why I don't have good results. For semps we have all seen that verm casing can do stellar, but I couldn't

Kloakk said:

Mackload said:

Panaeolus bisporus trip report here if interested

tl;dr bit of a rough ride, ended extremely well. not so different than cubes?

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Thanks for sharing Great read and I have a lot of the same thoughts that you had when I'm on shrooms, I might be overstepping here, but I wished there where more paragraphs

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tryptkaloids said:

Looking for as much info on chlorocystis and olivaceous as possible. Been looking all day and they are pretty undiscussed

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Chlorocystis was first described in '77.  And not found again until the 2020s.

I got the print from the first person in the world to grow them.  And I'm the first org member to fruit them.  So yeah, folks I sent prints too are pioneering that species
as far as shroomery knowledge goes.

That said, they're section cyanescens.  And while there's nuances that likely would give better results than I had, fruiting them like cyans or bisporus would be a good place to start.  Probably they like more calcium though and a higher casing pH, as they don't compete with cyans for range and only have been found in the Everglades in Florida (where there is a lot of lime in the soil).

@mackload, the lack of paragraphs did make it hard to read at first.  But after I got over my where's the paragraphs!  I thought the stream of thought was kinda cool for a trip report

Mackload said:

fixed it

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