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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dala] * 2
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I’ll try making up some 50/50 jiffy and verm. See what happens.

My semps also did that with a verm only casing lol. Best results I’ve personally had with semps was a light sprinkling of coir once it was ready to fruit. Hardly even something you’d call a casing but it worked great.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Smellyhobbit said:
I’ll try making up some 50/50 jiffy and verm. See what happens.

My semps also did that with a verm only casing lol. Best results I’ve personally had with semps was a light sprinkling of coir once it was ready to fruit. Hardly even something you’d call a casing but it worked great.



:takingnotes:

Might have to give that a go.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 7
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Panaeolus bisporus trip report here if interested :awesomenod:

tl;dr bit of a rough ride, ended extremely well. not so different than cubes?

:didntread:


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Edited by Mackload (06/03/25 05:54 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mackload] * 4
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@Kloakk Those grows are totally sick. Damn.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mackload] * 3
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Mackload said:
Panaeolus bisporus trip report here if interested :awesomenod:

tl;dr bit of a rough ride, ended extremely well. not so different than cubes?

:didntread:



Excellent trip report.

Cubes have been less consistent in my experience with them.  Not in terms of potency, but like clarity and depth vs confusion and stuck.

Bispos affect on the audio cortex is probably what I find most interesting too.  I know a lot of us apes tend to identify with our thoughts, and perceptual changes in the audio cortex can help us to let go of some of the stories we tell ourselves that might not be true.

At least, that's been my experience.  And bispo is consistent in this.

Chlorocystis had some interesting audio characteristics as well, but I wasn't in a good headspace when I tested it and got lost in some dark narratives.

With bispo I always feel like they are there, to guide me home if I'm lost.  Could be my biases though :shrug:

But I had a very similar experience my first time with them where I started to go into some darkness, and they showed up to let me know that they were there holding space. I did not have the same experience with chloro.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (06/03/25 09:37 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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Ya boy Thurman's about to join the pan party! 🤙

So, I've got TTBVI on grain. Should have 2-3qts ready to rock soon. Current plan for substrate is 50/50 compost/coir - plenty of pasteurization teks to follow for that, so I'll consider that "figured out".

Reading Baba's write up on monotub fruiting - has anyone tried with shoeboxes? Reading his bit on unmodded monos, I dont see why these white lid, wally world specials wouldn't do the trick. Im seeing they like plenty of air and one of Babas strategies is fruiting conditions at spawn with no casing, so I was thinking about just flipping the lid right at spawn, which makes a pretty decent gap for FAE, similar to his propping the lid up the 5-8mm recommendation. Thoughts?

And as far as misting, it's looking like a light misting from knot formation until pins get some height, and then start hitting it harder?

Im scouring the readings, and I think I'm mostly there, but if anyone has other suggested readings, I'll gladly take it!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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Looking for as much info on chlorocystis and olivaceous as possible. Been looking all day and they are pretty undiscussed


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tryptkaloids] * 3
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@thurman, you’re on the right track, shoebox or mono will work fine unmodified, if your pans don’t like being misted try a different selection, some are fine with it others don’t like it, ideally with mono approach you’ll want to find one that tolerates it. Its not too challenging but you’ll want to tap in to the visual cues the mushrooms give you while fruit g and make adjustments on the fly, be it increasing the gap or moving the tote to an area with better air flow. An open window can be nice for them in the summer. You got it though mate.

Edit: I’ll add as far as misting goes I aim for misting that wets caps and drys within 15ish minutes, sides of tote remain “wet” for a few hours though. Misting twice a day, this will fluctuate depending what the rh of your room is though, high rh one mist may be fine. But you want wet dry cycles, I shoot for one wet in the morning that dries by night. Often the corners/edges of my sub will dry out some by night time misting.

@tryptkalpids, won’t speak to chlorocystis as I’m currently waiting for them to fruit but I’m expecting the same procedure as bispo. As for olivaceus it’s very forgiving and easily fruited in a mono, conditions the same as bispo but even more forgiving and tolerable of swings. I still haven’t checked if I had a print around did you find one already?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Asura] * 1
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Mackload said:
Panaeolus bisporus trip report here if interested :awesomenod:

tl;dr bit of a rough ride, ended extremely well. not so different than cubes?

:didntread:



Thanks for sharing :hatsoff: Great read and I have a lot of the same thoughts that you had when I'm on shrooms, I might be overstepping here, but I wished there where more paragraphs :muppet:

Asura said:
@Kloakk Those grows are totally sick. Damn.



Thank you legend
:datass:


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Edited by Kloakk (06/04/25 02:42 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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Kloakk said:
Pasteurized, pH adjusted 50/50 cactus soil/verm gave me okay results, pasteurized, pH adjusted 100% cactus soil took a lot longer to pin, few fruits first flush, but a pretty good second flush. 100% coir casing also gave okay results. My best results I got with pasteurized pH adjusted 50/40/10 coir/cactus soil/verm.




It's the only two trays I've done with that casing so not much to go by, but I just spawned TTBVI to 8 new trays yesterday and will use the same casing on them and report back.

I think the most important part about a casing is creating a constant, oxygen rich and humid microclimate a few mm above the colonized substrate. Cactus soil alone got to compact for my taste and I have a hard time keeping track of the moisture content with a verm only casing and that is probably why I can't seem to get it right.

Just verm(semps)


50/50 cactus soil/verm


The little experience I have with casing is that I get best results when I pasteurize it, pH adjust it, keep it aerated, be as careful as possible when applying it not to compress it, even depth, leveled and humid but not soggy.




Jesus... That explains why I didn't get many shrooms with just verm... Never doing that again.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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SkanskKorv said:
Jesus... That explains why I didn't get many shrooms with just verm... Never doing that again.



I think it's important to point out that I believe we could achieve good results with 100% verm casing for pans, but I don't have the skills to track moisture level with it and that is why I don't have good results. For semps we have all seen that verm casing can do stellar, but I couldn't :lol:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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Kloakk said:
Mackload said:
Panaeolus bisporus trip report here if interested :awesomenod:

tl;dr bit of a rough ride, ended extremely well. not so different than cubes?

:didntread:



Thanks for sharing :hatsoff: Great read and I have a lot of the same thoughts that you had when I'm on shrooms, I might be overstepping here, but I wished there where more paragraphs :muppet:



I agree, definitely a good read @Mack, but I'm not sure if its my dyslexia or ADHD, but I find long posts without paragraphs hard to read without getting lost in them.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Axman] * 3
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fixed it :cheers:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tryptkaloids] * 5
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tryptkaloids said:
Looking for as much info on chlorocystis and olivaceous as possible. Been looking all day and they are pretty undiscussed



Chlorocystis was first described in '77.  And not found again until the 2020s.

I got the print from the first person in the world to grow them.  And I'm the first org member to fruit them.  So yeah, folks I sent prints too are pioneering that species
as far as shroomery knowledge goes.

That said, they're section cyanescens.  And while there's nuances that likely would give better results than I had, fruiting them like cyans or bisporus would be a good place to start.  Probably they like more calcium though and a higher casing pH, as they don't compete with cyans for range and only have been found in the Everglades in Florida (where there is a lot of lime in the soil).

@mackload, the lack of paragraphs did make it hard to read at first.  But after I got over my where's the paragraphs!  I thought the stream of thought was kinda cool for a trip report :smile:


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 6
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After once again killing off my outdoor pinsets by being away from home for a day or six, I need to really reevaluate my setups...

One of the Burringbar subs got a nasty case of greeneritis, the other is pinning now. These pins weren't there this morning, so that's fast .




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mackload] * 1
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Mackload said:
fixed it :cheers:



:chefskiss:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 8
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every PHV tub this spring:oldman:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: stagger] * 1
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Mine did that too, except for the big outdoor tub... Growing at high temps really has disadvantages...


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 10
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Duplicate post - trying to hit the main places I used to post:

Hi Folks
I’m not going to assume anyone recognizes me or cares I’m back. Nonetheless, there are probably a few who sent me PMs or maybe were waiting on my side of a trade when I completely disappeared- for more than two years I think. So I thought I’d apologize and explain a bit and say that I plan to be dropping in to the Shroomery at least occasionally going forward.

So what happened?
Mush Cult was definitely a hobby for me - not a side hustle, or an attempt at developing into a job (gourmet or otherwise). On top of being a Dad (to 2 20 somethings) a husband, and a career white collar professional, I (we) added being full time elder care to the mix. Basically when my wife retired we moved her folks into our basement. Her Dad was pretty independent (but by no means fully independent) her Mom was entirely dependent on us - even having trouble getting in and out of her chair.  There was constant drama - her folks getting sick, going in and out of the hospital… my wife crumbling under the toxic influence of her Mom who was super demanding but would never say please or thank you. I mean what kind of entitled fuck has you taking them shopping, wheeling around in a wheelchair, cooking, cleaning, bathing, whipping their ass - literally! And then refuses to be polite?!

Anyway, I digress. It was A LOT, so all that ate into time for my mush cult hobby. In addition, 1-3 days a week a nurse or social worker or some kind of support person would come in to their space (our house) and potentially see all my mush cult stuff in the spare room down there. It was giving me anxiety to think one of them nigh decide to “do the right thing” and tell their friend or brother who is a cop that there is a “grow op / drug lab” at such and such an address.  All together, it just got to be too much.  I was going pretty much full tilt - a lot of exotics, some nice Cubensis isolations, some interesting edibles (Pleurotis Nebrodensis & Maitake), and then one day something extra at my day job got added on and or some nosey helper person asked “what kind of mushrooms are those?” And mentally I just kind of snapped! I locked the door on my cultivation space… and didn’t do anything for 6 months or more.
Dozens of cultures on agar plates, several LCs spinning endlessly on stir plates, a dozen or more inoculated big spawn bags, 30-50 jars of grain spawn in various states of colonization, 4-6 tubs in fruiting. They all just sat in there with nature running its course!  About 6-8 months later I opened the door and at least threw out the tubs, and bags, then closed the door again!


I did not even mention my two All Americans - filled with jars grain spawn that eventually after a year or more started to smell…

It was horrible in so many ways. I feel really bad for the folks who I was supposed to send something to for a trade or a promised gift. I just ghosted everyone!  It would be too dramatic to call it a psychological break, but it kind of was to be honest.

Here is the good news. After 2 + years my wife’s folks moved back to Nebraska and have professionals coming into their home M-F and their 55 year old son who never really left home to take care of them on weekends.

They moved out for good about 10 months ago. Other good news - I retired about a month ago. I put in 23 years there, another 5-7 years other places and of course all sorts of other jobs since I was like 15. I’m 62. Started mushroom cultivation in the late 70s 🤪. I have a comfortable pension so now I can get back to exploring mycology with plenty of time.

I’ll be going through a huge backlog of PMs, making good on trades and gifts if I can. I sincerely apologize to those I left hanging and wondering where I was / what happened!

PsiloPsychIn


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PsiloPsychIn] * 1
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Welcome back my man! Sorry to hear of the struggles but glad to hear your onwards and upwards!

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