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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 17
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Decent second flush comin in. 

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 1
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Damn Faht, this wave is looking more like ochernats than pans (look at them thicc ass legs)..i think i'm going blind now.
Must be divine punishment i swear :eek:




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 1
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Faht, cut it out!
No, don't! Keep em coming
Sensory overload


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dala] * 5
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Dala said:
Here's something to consider Kloakk...

Tweeq puts the SAB over his kitchen sink for more bottom depth.  Basically, it makes it dub-tub size. Better headroom for bags. I haven't tried it, just sharing tips n tricks.

Here's a good post about it: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28900600#28900600

Good lucks with whatever you choose :grin:



I read your AIO jar TTBVI journal, and since all my jars are occupied, I did a thing. Don't know how it will turn out doing it in a SAB, but "no guts, no glory" right?


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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Kloakk said:
Dala said:
Here's something to consider Kloakk...

Tweeq puts the SAB over his kitchen sink for more bottom depth.  Basically, it makes it dub-tub size. Better headroom for bags. I haven't tried it, just sharing tips n tricks.

Here's a good post about it: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28900600#28900600

Good lucks with whatever you choose :grin:



I read your AIO jar TTBVI journal, and since all my jars are occupied, I did a thing. Don't know how it will turn out doing it in a SAB, but "no guts, no glory" right?




I'm digging the clips you're using to keep them sealed.. very pretty colors, also feeling glad i'm not the only one dumping an entire plate per jar/bag, so gangsta
:snoopyes:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 4
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tree frog said:
Some first results from using the azospirillum.



Both of these trays, I inoculated the casing with bacteria.  On my first chloro run, I ran one with grass and one without.  The grass tray pinned a week before the other.  Today, both trays are pinning, but the grass is more heavily (potentially, still the bacteria, it might just be thriving better with the host grass roots).

So, a small data set from early in the run.  But, a promising result so far.

Also, eight days since casing.  Which was quite a bit faster if I remember right.  Different culture though, so the data isn't as good.  Could be a faster culture or a number of other factors could have played a role.

Still, I was expecting like two and three weeks (grass vs. no grass).  So, I'm excited to keep experimenting with the bacteria :laugh:



Cross posting from the plants and bacteria thread.


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 1
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astra said:
I'm digging the clips you're using to keep them sealed.. very pretty colors, also feeling glad i'm not the only one dumping an entire plate per jar/bag, so gangsta
:snoopyes:



Thank you. I think they're called "GripStic" bag sealer. Never used them for growing before, but I've used them for food and they hold up good. If I put pressure on the bag, air comes out of the filter and not around the clip, but after inoculating the bags and getting the clips on, I taped the opening of the bags anyway.

And even tho I mostly use 55mm plates I leave 5mm of the outer edge of the plate behind just to be safe. Don't know if it matters in this case tho, I would think doing bags in a SAB is my biggest contamination vector :muppet:

I was thinking of leaving the bags untouched for a couple of days and then crumble the plate and try to spread it around the bag, any thoughts?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Nice prep work Kloakk! Those look spiffy.

I think it's a good idea to let them colonize a bit before crumbling because you can see if the initial growth looks healthy. If contam starts, you'll probably notice and can manage your expectations. If you mix now, contam might hide on the inside.

Growth will happen fast so you'll be crumbling before you know it.

:justcantwait:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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I just came back from Norway this January and was getting stuff from Clas Ohlson, Nille and Ikea...so much cult friendly goodies :heart:

I usually dump the whole thing providing they didn't reach the edge but either way is fine as long as you're confident the culture is healthy.

SAB user here so, knocking the jars isn't that bad as long as i don't have more than 7 at a time, my SAB is kinda small but then again i'm a small gal (163cm/49kg).

The only time i'm using bags is for pan substrate and once the PC cycle is over i leave them outside inside a brown paper bag (Amazon style) cooling down overnight, next morning i'd line up my trays after wiping the counter (trays stay with lid on) then i proceed to dump a portion of the substrate followed by the colonized spawn, no SAB... its a very quick and calculated process. Time is of the essence. I use quart jars for my spawn as opposed to those using AIO bags which can be inoculated with LC or an agar wedge. I don't think the way i do cult work is to make things easier, just old and antiquated and very stubborn because i spent the first 4~5 years fighting off LC at all costs. Still using agar to this day.

About whether or not you should wait a couple of days before crumbling the agar for spreading purposes, i never have...i just leave the whole thing take over and when its about 40% and shake them into submission.  That's the thing, i don't really do AIO bags because i'm a lazy slob :eek:



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 4
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I'm not a fan of LCs either tbh.  I know bisporus is finicky about them, mary suggested sslc and I prepped a bunch but never inoculated because wedge to AIO was keeping me full anyway.

But I have recently started using Rev's easy LIs, as I was already using water for stasis storage.  Started some AIO bispo bags, hoping to make little grow kits out of them I can gift to folks.  Which is an aside really.

Mostly I wanted to say that the easy LIs work well, though you want a pristine plate to start one.  And grain jars run much faster than via wedge inoculation.

Also, I got my hands on some phase 2 compost from an agarricus farm.  Starting some side by side tests with it now.  But this shit is so fluffy compared to black kow.  I have a good feeling :smile:  And it's a project I've been wanting to try since I got into Pans a year and a half ago.


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 4
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Dala said:
Nice prep work Kloakk! Those look spiffy.

I think it's a good idea to let them colonize a bit before crumbling because you can see if the initial growth looks healthy. If contam starts, you'll probably notice and can manage your expectations. If you mix now, contam might hide on the inside.

Growth will happen fast so you'll be crumbling before you know it.

:justcantwait:



Thanks, it went okay for first bags in SAB, but that is an excellent point, I'll leave them be for now and come back with updated pictures in a week or so. I told my self not to get attached to these bags as I know bags and SAB don't mix that well, but we'll see how I feel about it in a week :lol:

astra said:
I just came back from Norway this January and was getting stuff from Clas Ohlson, Nille and Ikea...so much cult friendly goodies :heart:

I usually dump the whole thing providing they didn't reach the edge but either way is fine as long as you're confident the culture is healthy.

SAB user here so, knocking the jars isn't that bad as long as i don't have more than 7 at a time, my SAB is kinda small but then again i'm a small gal (163cm/49kg).

The only time i'm using bags is for pan substrate and once the PC cycle is over i leave them outside inside a brown paper bag (Amazon style) cooling down overnight, next morning i'd line up my trays after wiping the counter (trays stay with lid on) then i proceed to dump a portion of the substrate followed by the colonized spawn, no SAB... its a very quick and calculated process. Time is of the essence. I use quart jars for my spawn as opposed to those using AIO bags which can be inoculated with LC or an agar wedge. I don't think the way i do cult work is to make things easier, just old and antiquated and very stubborn because i spent the first 4~5 years fighting off LC at all costs. Still using agar to this day.

About whether or not you should wait a couple of days before crumbling the agar for spreading purposes, i never have...i just leave the whole thing take over and when its about 40% and shake them into submission.  That's the thing, i don't really do AIO bags because i'm a lazy slob :eek:





:takingnotes: Got it. Yeah this was plates that looked good, but overgrown to the point where I put them in the fridge, not that the edges of the plates look anything but healthy, but ya know, paranoia :uhoh:

Yeah SAB for me as well, and I did a couple of grain jars too, but wanting to try AOI, out of jars and being an "instant gratification monkey" this is where I'm at :rofl:

Bispo jars are getting there.


163cm ey? Well I'm a whopping 2cm taller :lol:

I've read that you sterilize your substrate and spawn in open air a couple of times, and I see you are doing some awesome grows, so I might try doing that along side pasteurization, just to see how that will play out, I guess we all have different environments and I wouldn't know what works best without actually trying it. Appreciate you explaining the process tho, helps me visualize how it should be done, and thanks for confirming what Dala said about leaving the bags alone for now.

Oh and there is nothing slob about the trays you've got there.
:chefskiss:


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Edited by Kloakk (04/03/25 08:17 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dala] * 1
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Dala said:
Here's something to consider Kloakk...

Tweeq puts the SAB over his kitchen sink for more bottom depth.  Basically, it makes it dub-tub size. Better headroom for bags. I haven't tried it, just sharing tips n tricks.

Here's a good post about it: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28900600#28900600

Good lucks with whatever you choose :grin:



Ah ffs that's genious.
Why haven't I thought of that?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MycCycle] * 17
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Pan mycelium I has very little resistance to bacteria so the optimal window of moisture content on your grain (and bulk for that matter) is much more narrow than cubes for example. Cube mycelium in the presence of higher bacterial levels will become thicker and “piss” and a defense, the grain jars will be harder to bust apart but ultimately your grow will not suffer you can still get a wall to wall canopy cube tub from somewhat bacterial spawn. With pans this is not the case the same levels of bacteria that will causes thicker myc growth for cubes will completely stall pan mycelium. The number one culprit of higher bacterial levels is excess moisture on your grain. This is why I like the grain mix of 75% millets 25% rye berries because it’s really easy fur me to hit that optimal moisture content window, because millet doesn’t hold that much water and the rye berries act as hydration pockets so with this mix I know that after soaking then drying all the surface moisture off my grain the moisture contained within the grain at this ratio is the perfect amount for happy pan spawn. For this reason using LC to inoculate pans to grain can be problematic because it’s an additional moisture content vector to factor in, you can throw off this ideal moisture content window by LC noculation. That’s not to say LC can’t work BH used LC fir a long time (although he premixed his grain and bulk sterilized then inoculated with LC but he was actually having issues with his success rates his last 6-8 months and ended up taking my class which was awesome because he was the only one in the class that week so we just talked about pan cult fir like 6 hours and his last few griws he ditched LC and his success rate skyrocketed, we concluded that in his hiatus from growing his moisture content ratios of his LC or bulk mix itself must have changed from he started trying to grow again and he had not previously realized the importance of the moisture content at these stages. Unfortunately he died a few months later, I learned a lot from him as well over our conversations.
Pan mycelium also gets oxygen deprived very easily so having to much moisture in your bulk during colonization also causes problems. When you make up a cube tub your loading all the moisture your grow needs further flush into the substrate when you make up the tub. This is why coir works so well for cube grows because it is able to retain so much liquid, but with pan grains you add the moisture your sub needs to flush during the fruiting cycle.its not pre loaded into the sub, and the more evaporation your able to get to take place the better your pinset is so you don’t want a substrate that will hold that much water because you want it to give up most its moisture and re-absorb it from the air several times each day.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Jakeoncid419] * 1
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This is from a old pan cyan spores . Is that contamination ?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: criderking] * 2
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looks like fusarium

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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Kloakk said:
I read your AIO jar TTBVI journal, and since all my jars are occupied, I did a thing. Don't know how it will turn out doing it in a SAB, but "no guts, no glory" right?




Oh no, your MF looks sick!  It's shedding way too many legos to be healthy.


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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 4
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Mr Piggy said:
Oh no, your MF looks sick!  It's shedding way too many legos to be healthy.



:rofl: Believe it or not, but not a single Lego is from the falcon, but I can't say the same for Upsilon, Tydirium, Droideka or general grievous...





Have kids they said, it'll be fun they said.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 6
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Currently working on the fun part, might be a piglet in a year or so. :lol::tongue:


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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 2
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Mr Piggy said:
Currently working on the fun part, might be a piglet in a year or so. :lol::tongue:



My man, that is awesome news.
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Think I read this somewhere, but is it true that Pan Cyans and Bisporus are better off with the germ plate or early transfers?


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