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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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tree frog said:
1-2" depth.  1/4" casing for bispo.

50/50 coir/poo.  Around 1:5 - 1:6 grain ratio.  Settled on after much experimentation.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28976769

And I find they do better in small trays. So if I run four of those four cup trays and a big flat tray, I don't get the same pin sets or even yields out of the large tray.  Even if it contains the same amount of material going in.

I think for a larger substrate they would want to be outside.


:takingnotes:

Got it, thanks again :hatsoff:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Happy to help :smile:

I hope they treat you well and you treat them well. They are my favorite.

Also, gorgeous fruits Bra!  Looking forward to seeing how the clone runs.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Happy to help :smile:

I hope they treat you well and you treat them well. They are my favorite.



I'll do my best :uhoh:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Wait wait wait. Bispo is your favorite, Tree? I thought cyans were generally considered the summit of (sub-) tropical pans. Could you elaborate?

My experience is limited to cyanescens and cinctulus. Both really high quality, although cincts are of course vastly less potent.

BTW myc check! Does this look normal for bispo? The black stuff is in all my millet, I'm not prepared to remove it. But the mycelium seems rather dense for a pan.



Pre-edit: Kloakk, we're doing the same things at roughly the same time. It really feels like we're in the same year and taking the same classes. I like that


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 2
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It depends on who you ask I'm sure. 

I haven't tried subtropicalis so I can't compare it. It's back on grain now and hopefully the third time is the charm.

But for me, tamps for mind body connection.  Bispo for deep psychonaught self discovery.  I keep both in my medicine cabinet.

Cyans for eye candy to hand out at burns (recreational).  If I don't have it on hand I don't worry about it. Because I don't really eat them.

And kloakk, don't worry about it. I think you are taking good care of them and they will take good care of you.


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Edited by tree frog (04/01/25 02:30 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Hi,
I finally managed to get some fruits of ttbvi. Unfortunately they are tiny. I think the height seems fine but the diameter of stems and caps is just extremely small. Temperature is at  76 +-, rh at 96 (not sure if i can trust the meter though. It is cold where I live so I am heating the tent with an electric heating and an aquarium heater in a warerfilled tray.
The trays were not doing anything for 2-3 weeks after casing I then scraped the casing. Not sure if this nade them fruit or me putting tve aquarium heater in.
I am gaving a fan blowing air in 5 mins every hour.
I mean I am happy that something grows but as I said it isnothing left after drying 🙈

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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Churpee Choozle said:

BTW myc check! Does this look normal for bispo? The black stuff is in all my millet, I'm not prepared to remove it. But the mycelium seems rather dense for a pan.



Pre-edit: Kloakk, we're doing the same things at roughly the same time. It really feels like we're in the same year and taking the same classes. I like that


I really like that too, I had to go and check some of your post again and I agree same year and classes, well except I'm the slow kid in the back eating crayons half the time :rofl:

And just wait until you've given that bispo jar a couple of break&shake's, it'll turn real thin and whispy on you :lol: I'll be keeping an eye on your semp and bispo grows, I just hope the teacher don't catch me copying answers over your shoulder :uhoh:

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tree frog said:
And kloakk, don't worry about it. I think you are taking good care of them and they will take good care of you.


Thanks, I mainly worry about not having enough information or misunderstanding the information I find or get :muppet:

"The right tools is half the job" kind of thing, just trying to collect the right tools, but I'll figure it out, cuz I know y'all got my back :rockon:


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Edited by Kloakk (04/01/25 03:15 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: franksterling]
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@treefrog

love that description of the effects of different spp.

i'm wondering how you would compare the different panaeolus to woodloving psilocybes.  It seems like its either pan descriptions and comparisons, or woodlover comparisons, but seldom crossing over in comparisons.

also comparisons to what astra calls ochranats (i dont know if they're referring to ocrhacea or natalensis; i find that name most confusing... unless someone has already hybridized them and called them ochranats)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Generic] * 1
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I know this is addressed to Tree, not trying to speak in her place.
But to me pans (and sclerotia formers) are light and warm and danceable. And sometimes hilariously funny. Brighter than cubes, more energetic.
Woodlovers are heavier, more... Intoxicating. Darker. I've seen friends, partners and myself crushed by azures or (Ps) cyans. They can instill great fear in me. Where cubes tend to come in 'waves', wls just grab me by the balls and plunge me in wherever I'm plunged in. I have no appetite or real sex drive. Just hard tripping.
For dancing, communication, sex: pans or sect. Mexicanae. For introspection, humility, therapeutic use: Ps cyan.

And Kloakk, I never considered you a crayon eater. Totally related to your bedtime rituals with the kids in the LAGM thread. And I've been growing mushrooms for 15 years. I just never ventured beyond gourmets, woodlovers, the occasional cube grow for friends and fam and a couple of exotics. Mostly half-assed exotics grows, I must say. Got the feeling I just entered uni and the real learning got underway.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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oh I meant to direct that question at anyone/everyone with experience, actually my bad... so thanks churp

Interesting, i've always found azures to be clear headed and less confusing than cubes, very present.  But i haven't done very large doses.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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Churpee Choozle said:
And Kloakk, I never considered you a crayon eater. Totally related to your bedtime rituals with the kids in the LAGM thread. And I've been growing mushrooms for 15 years. I just never ventured beyond gourmets, woodlovers, the occasional cube grow for friends and fam and a couple of exotics. Mostly half-assed exotics grows, I must say. Got the feeling I just entered uni and the real learning got underway.



I was mostly trying to be funny with the crayon thing, but thanks :biggrin: I honestly feel okay about my tubs considering I'm 5 months in. I knew from the start that I wanted to do pans tho so this bispo and TTBVI jars feels really important, almost to the point where I think I only have this one try, if I fail, they're gone forever :lol:

I actually did 16x350ml jars of bispo. They're marked A,B,C and D because I hydrated the grains differently.

A jars are hydrated with water only
B with water and liquid fertilizer
C with 1.010 wort
D with water and yeast nutrient(Fermaid O)



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Can I get some opinions on JCMs and Fans? I swear I've seen people use them similar to Supa's Dreamer Tub, but now I'm wondering if I'm confusing things. Perhaps I'm thinking of Tents rather than JCMs

This is what I bought:




I'm also going to be running 16 inch air stones off of a 256 gph (2 stones) and an 80gph (1 stone) air pump.

Would periodic fresh air/low humidity be helpful or am I just over complicating things?

Astra already weighed in, so that's one for the nay column.

What does everyone else think? If they're not needed, then I guess I'll have to build a dreamer tub one day lol


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Can I get some opinions on JCMs and Fans? I swear I've seen people use them similar to Supa's Dreamer Tub, but now I'm wondering if I'm confusing things. Perhaps I'm thinking of Tents rather than JCMs

This is what I bought:




I'm also going to be running 16 inch air stones off of a 256 gph (2 stones) and an 80gph (1 stone) air pump.

Would periodic fresh air/low humidity be helpful or am I just over complicating things?

Astra already weighed in, so that's one for the nay column.

What does everyone else think? If they're not needed, then I guess I'll have to build a dreamer tub one day lol


I believe the JCM original tub did use a fan blow some dry air over or into the chamber to facilitate evaporation. I think you’re on the right track.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Can I get some opinions on JCMs and Fans? I swear I've seen people use them similar to Supa's Dreamer Tub, but now I'm wondering if I'm confusing things. Perhaps I'm thinking of Tents rather than JCMs

This is what I bought:




I'm also going to be running 16 inch air stones off of a 256 gph (2 stones) and an 80gph (1 stone) air pump.

Would periodic fresh air/low humidity be helpful or am I just over complicating things?

Astra already weighed in, so that's one for the nay column.

What does everyone else think? If they're not needed, then I guess I'll have to build a dreamer tub one day lol


PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Can I get some opinions on JCMs and Fans? I swear I've seen people use them similar to Supa's Dreamer Tub, but now I'm wondering if I'm confusing things. Perhaps I'm thinking of Tents rather than JCMs

This is what I bought:




I'm also going to be running 16 inch air stones off of a 256 gph (2 stones) and an 80gph (1 stone) air pump.

Would periodic fresh air/low humidity be helpful or am I just over complicating things?

Astra already weighed in, so that's one for the nay column.

What does everyone else think? If they're not needed, then I guess I'll have to build a dreamer tub one day lol


I use AC Infinity dual multifans connected to 2 tubs. I was originally inspired by angam's posts

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26293989/fpart/all

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Can I get some opinions on JCMs and Fans? I swear I've seen people use them similar to Supa's Dreamer Tub, but now I'm wondering if I'm confusing things. Perhaps I'm thinking of Tents rather than JCMs

This is what I bought:




I'm also going to be running 16 inch air stones off of a 256 gph (2 stones) and an 80gph (1 stone) air pump.

Would periodic fresh air/low humidity be helpful or am I just over complicating things?

Astra already weighed in, so that's one for the nay column.

What does everyone else think? If they're not needed, then I guess I'll have to build a dreamer tub one day lol


Let's do humanity a favor and please leave my name out when trying other people's experiments. I do not want to be responsible in any way, shape or form when it comes to people doing random tweaking, adding fans and overall turning something that started very simple into a mini grow tent. I've seen others calling the JCM a 'bubbler tub' and that's incorrect. WillyMyco was the one that tried to trademark the bubbler jars but it didn't go so well for him. Mycotopia was using them way before he made a video on how to fruit pans the easy way (mega cringe). I didn't learn the craft from YT, WillyMyco, UncleBens or any other voodoo quack that showed up 2 or 3 years ago and think they're the authority when it comes to exotics. When and IF i find myself having a setback, all i have to do is going back to Blue's 60 pages of posts and reflect on all the things he taught me, bless his heart. Too bad he isn't around anymore to make things straight. My mantra is to keep it simple but if folks are determined to over complicate simple stuff to make it look 'rad/cool' then so be it. In the end, do what makes you happy. Best of Luck!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 1
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Also, I would never use a fucking fan in any of my grows...ever.

:nicesmile:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 3
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I had a sketchy jar, and I had opened up some composted cow manure for plants. I put the sketchy jar with the composted cow manure and so far the Bisporus is happy, I think. Never tried that before but so far everything seems happy.





Yeti and something else I forget, probably a mutant jar.




Meanwhile, I have a cake that was precased in its container, its colonized and in a freezer bag with water at the bottom. No signs of pins yet. Any hints?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 4
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I can edit out your name if you'd like, although I did say that you were a nay as in you were against it. All I'm trying to do is to get more than one person's opinion before I decide if I'm going to cut extra holes in my tub. It seems all the big players on this thread tend to do things their own way and that there isn't one specific correct way. I didn't mean any insult by including you.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 2
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You are not wrong. There are a lot of different ways that work and a lot of different reasons that people prefer their own way. Nothing wrong with that. It just means that these things are not as hard to grow as many believe.

They take a little bit more effort than cubes but in the end mushrooms produce spores to propagate. If you can work out what they want in your environment, they will grow more mushrooms. There isn't really a RIGHT way to do it or even much of a consensus.

I don't use fans, so I can't offer anything useful to your specific question. I believe the original jcm does and the newly popular dream tubs do too, I think. So they definitely work. Just not in line with my goals, so not in my process.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ReverendMyc]
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Thank you for your input Rev


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