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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Nice! Good to know that it's normal. I'll post pics as soon as pins form


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Just dropped in to say I love you tree frog! Thank you for sharing your expertise. :heart:

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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: phytophthora] * 1
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Question on this;

Loading, PCing, etc.
For my jars, I prefer half-gallons.  They're easier to shake and hold enough substrate to run a shoebox of Pans.  But, I've done a lot of quart AIO jars too.  Just be mindful that you don't overfill them (600ml or less is good) and if you have extra substrate, it's better not to overfill.


What size tray would one of these fill, roughly?  I have plenty of random Tupperware laying around, just want to make sure I have enough without having to go to the store mid prep lol.  Thanks!


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: kingboomer] * 3
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I use four cup trays for one quart jars.  That allows room for a casing.

If you have a shallow eight cup tray, that will work.  You could also split one jar into smaller trays.  Or measure out a jar of unsterilized substrate and then see what trays it will fit in before you go to spawn the colonized jars.




This is what I'm personally using right now.  I figured out the cubic inches of my substrate and found something that would work for 1/2 gallon jar with some room for a casing.  I'm too stoned to do math but you could use those measurements to reverse engineer how much room you need with a square Tupperware.


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: tree frog] * 1
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tree frog said:
I use four cup trays for one quart jars.  That allows room for a casing.

If you have a shallow eight cup tray, that will work.  You could also split one jar into smaller trays.  Or measure out a jar of unsterilized substrate and then see what trays it will fit in before you go to spawn the colonized jars.




This is what I'm personally using right now.  I figured out the cubic inches of my substrate and found something that would work for 1/2 gallon jar with some room for a casing.  I'm too stoned to do math but you could use those measurements to reverse engineer how much room you need with a square Tupperware.




Many thanks!  Definitely like the aio concept, kinda like muda bottles.  I'll put some work in.


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: kingboomer] * 1
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Do you still PC for 3 hours if you are using quart jars?


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: Huskies] * 3
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No, you can do 2.  Probably 1.5 is good, but I've never tested it.

The qt jars are really easier than the half gallons and still fruit very well.  It was just what I had running when I wrote the thread.

But honestly, I prefer smaller projects so I can try more new things.

If I prep them again (likely), I will add a qt jar prep to the OP.


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: tree frog]
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What kind of lids are y'all using for AIO jars? I use adhesive SFD on my grain jars, but that sounds spoOky to use with AIO jars :uhoh:


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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Still SFDs.  They do get gross faster and need to be replaced more often.

I use the full size ones, and pop it under the jar like in this grain picture.  This has four small holes in it, but more often than not I use the quarter inch diameter single hole in the middle.



You can see how the disc is just stuck to the inside of the jar here.



Obviously not an aio jar.  And another reason I prep these so they're not muddy but a bit dry.  If it's to dry, you can mist at spawn.  But a casing supplies plenty of water generally for a full flush of pans.


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: tree frog]
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Nice, what kind of SFD are you using, link? I have the single, quarter inch hole. I was wondering, if I decide to use the same lids as I do with grains, would it be okay to put one layer of micropore tape on the underside of the lid just to keep most of the substrate away from the SFD, or would that just make a little incubator for evil in and around the GE hole?


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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I think it would be all right.  Probably cleaner than the way I am going about it to be honest.

The tape might fall off and then you may want to pick it out later, or not :shrug:

Discs

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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: tree frog]
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I’ve been wanting to grow Pans for awhile now, but don’t have a Martha Tent/Grow tent. 

I was wondering in replace of the trays if I could do these AIO jars like you described in the OP but instead of fruiting to trays, fruit in a monotub - like Baba Yaga’s “Pan Cyan in Monotubs 3.0” Tek.  I have a fully automated monotub if I need high humidity, but it sounds like I would just have to watch the surface conditions of the tub and mist accordingly.

Am I thinking about this completely wrong? I don’t want to take any short cuts, I already know where that leads usually.  I just want to know if it’s possible.  Any help would be appreciated!


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Thanks, as soon as I free up some jars I'll try a couple :awesomenod:


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: Big Jon] * 2
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Big Jon said:
I’ve been wanting to grow Pans for awhile now, but don’t have a Martha Tent/Grow tent. 

I was wondering in replace of the trays if I could do these AIO jars like you described in the OP but instead of fruiting to trays, fruit in a monotub - like Baba Yaga’s “Pan Cyan in Monotubs 3.0” Tek.  I have a fully automated monotub if I need high humidity, but it sounds like I would just have to watch the surface conditions of the tub and mist accordingly.

Am I thinking about this completely wrong? I don’t want to take any short cuts, I already know where that leads usually.  I just want to know if it’s possible.  Any help would be appreciated!


Your thinking is all good :smile:

This is a substrate and spawn recipe really.  So, you can do monotubs or tents.  In fact, kirkeng, who does pans in monos, is who turned me onto running aio substrates in jars :wink:


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
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Big Jon said:
I’ve been wanting to grow Pans for awhile now, but don’t have a Martha Tent/Grow tent. 

I was wondering in replace of the trays if I could do these AIO jars like you described in the OP but instead of fruiting to trays, fruit in a monotub - like Baba Yaga’s “Pan Cyan in Monotubs 3.0” Tek.  I have a fully automated monotub if I need high humidity, but it sounds like I would just have to watch the surface conditions of the tub and mist accordingly.

Am I thinking about this completely wrong? I don’t want to take any short cuts, I already know where that leads usually.  I just want to know if it’s possible.  Any help would be appreciated!


Your thinking is all good :smile:

This is a substrate and spawn recipe really.  So, you can do monotubs or tents.  In fact, kirkeng, who does pans in monos, is who turned me onto running aio substrates in jars :wink:


No shit! Alright, thank you so much!


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: Big Jon]
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Also, I was wondering if you could clarify this for me:

It looks like your trays (and, well,  everyone else’s that I see on here) are in open air when spawned to bulk.  My question is if I am doing a monotub should I inoculate enough spawn that I use only the colonized spawn and a possible casing layer (I say possible bc the Pan Cyan Monotub 3.0 Tek makes it sound like sometimes a casing may not be great but I am still planning on using one rn) or could I take the colonized spawn and go to bulk? Would I have to use a SAB when going to bulk bc I would be dealing with pasteurized/sterilized hpoo?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: Big Jon]
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Well you could use this to spawn to balk, if you did I would probably add additional grains since you will be diluting the grain ratio when you do.

If you were spawning to a pasteurized substrate, you can do it in open air.  If you are spawning to like a bag of sterilized substrate, that's something that's generally better done in a sterile environment.  Some folks do have methods of spawning to a sterile substrate and open air, but you'd have to talk to them about their techniques and how they do that. It's outside of my own comfort zone so.


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: tree frog] * 1
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tree frog said:
Well you could use this to spawn to balk, if you did I would probably add additional grains since you will be diluting the grain ratio when you do.

If you were spawning to a pasteurized substrate, you can do it in open air.  If you are spawning to like a bag of sterilized substrate, that's something that's generally better done in a sterile environment.  Some folks do have methods of spawning to a sterile substrate and open air, but you'd have to talk to them about their techniques and how they do that. It's outside of my own comfort zone so.



Awesome. I believe this has been some of the most helpful info when it comes to growing pans. Idk, it just seems very difficult and more of an additional set-up versus other strains when I’ve read other teks but now I think I might start it up


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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: Big Jon]
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Re: All-In-One Jars for Panaeolus Sp. (and other exotics) [Re: rhizoRider] * 4
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Yeah, jumping on this, a little late, but I'm here.. Did it Dala style except change the verm for coir.

1 part grain
1 part manure compost
1 part coir


They'll get 2xTTBVI, 2xBisporus and 1 Semperviva wedge tomorrow.


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