CocaineBuffet said:

Mr Piggy said:

TLDR:

People were growing mushrooms misidentified as nats, turns out they were a new species.

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As identified by whom?

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I'm not digging through the ocre/not nat thread to find it, but it's buried in there somewhere.  I guess the story goes the ocres got sequenced and it came back "not cubes" and so it was assumed they were nats based on "not cubes."  The prints for them were then spread wide across the interwebs since they were easy to grow, and they were all labeled nats.  Fast forward a few years and someone sequences them and also finds "not nats."  Turns out they're a different thing and got a new name?

From there it just devolves into people being shitty and still dispersing them as nats because they like calling them the same incorrect thing, so now there's mass confusion.  I dunno, I kinda consider sequencing to be the bottom line

Anyway, none of us are mycologists.  We're hobbyist cultivators. 

The ocre/nat story(™)

Mr Piggy said:

CocaineBuffet said:

Mr Piggy said:

TLDR:

People were growing mushrooms misidentified as nats, turns out they were a new species.

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As identified by whom?

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I'm not digging through the ocre/not nat thread to find it, but it's buried in there somewhere.  I guess the story goes the ocres got sequenced and it came back "not cubes" and so it was assumed they were nats based on "not cubes."  The prints for them were then spread wide across the interwebs since they were easy to grow, and they were all labeled nats.  Fast forward a few years and someone sequences them and also finds "not nats."  Turns out they're a different thing and got a new name?

From there it just devolves into people being shitty and still dispersing them as nats because they like calling them the same incorrect thing, so now there's mass confusion.  I dunno, I kinda consider sequencing to be the bottom line

Anyway, none of us are mycologists.  We're hobbyist cultivators. 

The ocre/nat story(™)

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cybork said:

i have too little knowledge and too little trust left in the applied scientific method and scholars.

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tree frog said:

Those people that are debating that, I imagine they're not looking at the rest of the picture

There are distinct macroscopic and microscopic differences between the two species.

I'm trying to see if I can dig up the original research paper, but my suspicion is that Gartz would have scoped it, and that folks that have been passing around ochra didn't.

Because the former have 1,2,3, and 4 spored basidia.  Which creates a huge variance in spore size.  Ochra I believe is always four.  So the largest spores from nats are quite a bit bigger than the largest ochra.

Ochra, took about five days to mature.  Typical cube times. I didn't really pay that much attention.



Natelensis, two weeks after pins started.  Were still maturing when the mean green found them.

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Yawnsalot said:

I'm not sure how to use this I can't even find this, q&a without hijacking it. These are tidal wave and they have been so so great to me. I don't think there done yet, third flush, but I want to eat tonight. Lmk what you think

https://files.shroomery.org/files/25-13/284416648-IMG_20250324_145715.jpg
It needs another day for sure.

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DERRAYLD said:

What's the question?

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dinosaurs said:

holy I wonder if this is my "mystery genetics" that was supposed to be ITW snowball.  I was doing a pilot tub and took it down when the genetics revealed themselves to be something other than snowball, but I got about a half ounce of pins and tiny fruit and oh boy are they strong.  I made a tiny tea the other night and I can't imagine I even used 1 gram and ended up in a cartoon for 4 hours, then fell asleep and had lucid trip sleep for a few hours more, then woke up and stuff was still weird. 

anyways not trying to hijack the thread but here is what the little dudes looked like:



when I took the tub down, nothing was larger than an inch or so, and it was 17 days spawn to pins, and 10 days of fruiting when I took it down.  your pic is probably the closest thing I've seen to how their little hats looked.

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