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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Jrey16] * 1
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Here is the official thread for true Ps. natalensis. Apparently most of the cultures labelled nats in the past were actually Ps. ochraceocentrata, which you can grow like cubes.

I think the real deal nats are pretty rare, good on you if you secured those genetics!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Oh, yeah I sterilize my 90mm in unicorn bags.  I didn't have issues with condensation doing pour plates that way.  Just the no pours.

Anyway, you don't need a container.  Foil would work.  I'm not sure on saran wrap, I've never tried to run it in the pressure cooker.




What size unicorn bags?  Also when you say no prblem with condensation doing pour plates that way. Im a lillte confused.  What do you mean?  Do You mean you just sterilize the empty plates  in unicorn bags. Like when your ready to reuse them for doing pours?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie] * 1
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 3
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GenesisCorrupted said:
Yeule said:
Are you guys misting your shoeboxs? I made mine with a casing layer usind damion5050's bucket tek and im not sure if i was supposed to mist it after making it.


I bring it bring it to field capacity and then leave it alone.
There should be no misting involved.



Casings are easier to spread EVENLY if a bit drier,

So spread then mist and then should be good to go.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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callmehippie said:
What size unicorn bags?  Also when you say no prblem with condensation doing pour plates that way. Im a lillte confused.  What do you mean?  Do You mean you just sterilize the empty plates  in unicorn bags. Like when your ready to reuse them for doing pours?


The ones I make five pound blocks in.  Maybe 10Ts or something, I can never remember and always have to look when I order more.  They can hold twenty plates and still form a seal well when they cool.

And yeah to the rest, as Lew already answered :smile:  The standard tek for sterilizing glass for pour plates is in the oven, but if we do that with plastic, the dry heat can wreck them.  So, I do mine in bags and then pour in front of my hood.  So I don't have to worry about condensation so much.

But, you can do no pours in the unicorn bags too.  The condensation was a hassle, though there may be ways to work around or minimize it.  As Rev and other folks have been working on.

Letting plates cool in a large insulated picnic bag helps a lot though.  And storing them in that bags helps with condensation from temperature fluctuations in your room.  I do this both with pour and no pour plates.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RoscoeReturns]
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RoscoeReturns said:
KlarnEvil9 said:
Does that include the weight of the capsule?

It's not easy to get .5 into a 00 capsule. Mine maxed out at around .42 each, but if I could somehow powder the material much more finely, I might get .5.


I fit 1/2 gram of powder into the 00 caps. Total weight is about 0.64 grams. You can check out the process

Here


Damn it is hard to fit .5 in 000 how do you get that in a 00 I can stand on it. it is fine dust jeez I need a ninja lol


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: gmj] * 2
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Long time reader, first time grower and poster.
I found these cubes on a walk, and took a spore swab. I cleaned it up on agar, and I S2B 7 days ago. How do they look?



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: CranberrySteve]
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So far so good


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog]
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Sweet. Thanks buddy. 

  Is there a tek for no pour/pour sterilization inside a unicorn bag?

You should make one if not..


Sorry my learning disabilities get in the way a lot.:takingnotes::wow: So maybe next time you put 20 dishes in a unicorn bag that you are going to put in the PC.

would you mind  taking a picture of the dishes in the bag inside the PC before the run and what the finished product looks like after. That would be awesome..


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie] * 1
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Whats this Ochra/Nat thing? I am out of the loop

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 3
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TLDR:

People were growing mushrooms misidentified as nats, turns out they were a new species.  Now people are growing both and the cult community are trying to get people to use the correct nomenclature so there's less confusion... but the cat is kinda out of the bag.  We'll see what happens.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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.aff nats


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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Mr Piggy said:
TLDR:

People were growing mushrooms misidentified as nats, turns out they were a new species.


As identified by whom?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 2
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Discovery of the closest free-living relative of the domesticated โ€œmagic mushroomโ€ Psilocybe cubensis in Africa

gartz described nats in the 90s

South African Fungi 9: Psilocybe natalensis - A blueing hallucinogenic species from South Africa

the original nat paper isn't online



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: catnip40]
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So when did this other species just mosey up and start getting called the same thing?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: CocaineBuffet]
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I'm glad you asked this.  I've been wondering myself but as everyone else seemed to know all about it, I thought maybe I'd missed something obvious.

Are these 'true Nats'materially different to the Ochra that apparently we've all been growing, as in their effects and grow method?

Ochra (assuming that what I've grown) are pretty special and number 2 in my list of favourites, so I feel kind of loyal to them and don't want to hurt their feelings.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Janus62]
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GT(LEFT TUB) stunts andnrunts
wht could be causing this. Veil broken and way smaller than a pinger ping.  Last pic is the other tub



Edited by sk8cracka (03/24/25 05:10 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Janus62] * 1
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Janus62 said:
I'm glad you asked this.  I've been wondering myself but as everyone else seemed to know all about it, I thought maybe I'd missed something obvious.

Are these 'true Nats'materially different to the Ochra that apparently we've all been growing, as in their effects and grow method?

Ochra (assuming that what I've grown) are pretty special and number 2 in my list of favourites, so I feel kind of loyal to them and don't want to hurt their feelings.


They are definitely different as far as grow conditions.  They seem to be a grass species rather than a dung lover.  Both cubes and ochra fruit out of piles of shit, true nats don't they fruit in grasslands where animals do shit but not directly out of the piles of it.

So my guess is they like conditions that are more similar to Mexicana in tampinesis than cubes or ochra.

The best pin set I've seen is my own and I used grass with them, but it contaminated before they matured they are very slow to mature. They had been growing for over two weeks when I tossed them and we're still only like an inch tall.

But, we are still figuring them out so I am sure there are better conditions that would help them grow faster and larger. But they are relatively small in nature compared to cubes.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie] * 3
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I probably won't no pour them again. It's just a mess compared to pouring in front of a flow hood.  But I don't know that it's anymore messy than any other no pour tek.

If you want to try them in unicorn bags though, I did snap some photos for you just now to show you how I load them.

Load them towards the back of the bag, this gives you enough extra bag to fold the top under.  When I left them in the middle or toward to the front it didn't fold well.



Fold the top over with the gussets in.  If you know how to fold bags for grains or sawdust this shouldn't be a big deal, but you want the top of the bag to not have creases in it so it gets a good seal.


And tuck the top of the bag under the bottom.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Janus62] * 1
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Thanks for the explanation tree frog.  Trying a grow of them's looking like the distant future right now, so hopefully you pioneers will have it sorted by then.

Re the no-pours.  I just use PP5 pots with a hole melted in the side and a filter sticker on it like Pastywhyte's but modified by another user who's name I forget), then stack them with layers of foil in between.  I do about 40 at a time.  I'd do it the proper way, but it's far from ideal in a SAB.


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