callmehippie said:

I guess I was wondering if you're doing something that small  does bacteria or mold have time to show up before it colonizes and appears clean? Or is that a good thing if it dosnt


Or is that even an issue anybody runs into? Seems like if it colonizes quicker. And the bacteria or mold will show up just as quick then small batches would be my preference.


Also.  How much does millet expand after the soak.  no boil..

Is it like the other grains and seeds?

I'm trying not to end up with too much extra so let's say I'm trying to make 12 quart jars. How many jars should I measure out?

Obviously a little leftovers no big deal I'll throw them into some half pints I have.

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Axman said:

callmehippie said:

I guess I was wondering if you're doing something that small  does bacteria or mold have time to show up before it colonizes and appears clean? Or is that a good thing if it dosnt


Or is that even an issue anybody runs into? Seems like if it colonizes quicker. And the bacteria or mold will show up just as quick then small batches would be my preference.


Also.  How much does millet expand after the soak.  no boil..

Is it like the other grains and seeds?

I'm trying not to end up with too much extra so let's say I'm trying to make 12 quart jars. How many jars should I measure out?

Obviously a little leftovers no big deal I'll throw them into some half pints I have.

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If you have mold or bacteria showing up in properly PC'd jars its from your inoculum.

The reason it colonizes quicker is because there is less physical mass for the grain to consume volume wise to reach 100% in the smaller volume jar, not that it colonizes faster speed wise. I understand how my original comment was misunderstood, my apologies.

I find if I measure 12 cups or 3 quarts of grains like Rye and Millet I always end up with just a little bit more than 10 properly filled/hydrated quarts.

If you're doing no prep millet I always did ½ cup water to 1 cup millet. (I've actually never done prep millet, I might try some this weekend)

If you're doing prep I'd measure out 3 quarts of grain, prep it, and see how much you end up with and adjust from there.

A lot of people just boil without soaking as well, at least that's how I do rye these days.

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callmehippie said:

No no. I did not misunderstand you.wjat you said made perfect sense. I understand that it colonizes quicker because of less grain. That's pretty logical LOL.  And I say that with a smile on my face.

So like after we have pc'd a normal sized qt jar and inoculated it at some point it may show up to have bacteria or mold.


I was just saying if it colonizes super quick and then I make a transfer is there a chance from that transfer mold bacteria then shows up because it didn't have time to in the small jar of grain because it colonized so quickly. Does that make sense?

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Axman said:

callmehippie said:

No no. I did not misunderstand you.wjat you said made perfect sense. I understand that it colonizes quicker because of less grain. That's pretty logical LOL.  And I say that with a smile on my face.

So like after we have pc'd a normal sized qt jar and inoculated it at some point it may show up to have bacteria or mold.


I was just saying if it colonizes super quick and then I make a transfer is there a chance from that transfer mold bacteria then shows up because it didn't have time to in the small jar of grain because it colonized so quickly. Does that make sense?

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Yeah, I suppose it is possible. If you're worried about it coming from the grain you can always leave one of the jars aside and let it sit while the others colonize, in theory if you leave it there with a modified lid and it's on tight the grain will be unchanged and just desiccate/dry and nothing will happen.

If there is a problem in your grain prep it will show up and either mold, or bacteria will start to break down your grain and it will rot.

If you are using your clean agar plates to inoculated then I doubt you will be introducing any contamination if your sterile technique is up to par.

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callmehippie said:

I don't have to worry about loosening lids right? My GE holes are sufficient?

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Although some leave their modified lids tight; I believe the general consensus is to back off the lids a ⅛-¼ turn, that's what I do, I used to use the thin filter stickers without RTV and if you didn't back the lids off the pressure difference would sometimes suck them into the jar.

LewDoja said:

Pro tip of you're not doing no-prep-
Paint / veggie mesh bags make millet 100× easier/cleaner to work with.

But expansion is about 2.5×-3×, iirc.



Axman be holding down the fort

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suicideprevention said:

Is this fuzzy growth on BRF cakes indicating lack of FAE?  First flush, rolled in coir, been in water tub for 5 days. Cakes were fully colonized + a week for consolidation.  I have the lid just barely cracked, wondering if I should open it a bit more

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Scemilope said:

Regardless of method I always thoroughly wash the grain before and give it a rinse after the prep. Dirty grain makes stinky soup. 😆
And rinsing after removes a lot of stickiness that causes clumps and smears.
Big +1 for the brew/strainer bags. One of my favorite pieces of kit.

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