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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: sage_bd]
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PF tek is one part of brown rice flour, two parts vermiculite and  one part water. The vermiculite is the substrate and holds water.
What yields are you getting from PF?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: sage_bd] * 3
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sage_bd said:
Thanks for taking the time to answer the question. I appreciate it :heart:


Thanks for being curious and wanting to know the how and why :heart:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: cybork] * 1
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I’m guessing that unless you live in Asia it’s also more expensive than other grains.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy] * 2
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Mr. Piggy putting in work & holding down the fort. Thanks mate. I think I'll leave you to it.

:congrats:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja] * 3
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No please help!  The coffee is wearing off and the return to grumpy pants is imminent.


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Smellyhobbit said:
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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I was under the impression the discussion was about Brown Rice Grain, not flour. Almost every video I've seen regarding grains has shown Brown Rice (not flour) provides for some of the best results for spawning in jars or bags, along with Rye Berry, Sorghum, Milo, etc.

This is another one of those things that drive me wild is the conflicting information. I've seen successful growers offer advice that contradicts other successful growers. Between Shroomery, Reddit, Youtube, man, its a lot lol.

Apologies if this isn't allowed, but this is one of the videos I watched -

Edited by BonsaidMycelium (02/05/25 01:30 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BonsaidMycelium] * 1
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BonsaidMycelium said:
I was under the impression the discussion was about Brown Rice Grain, not flour. Almost every video I've seen regarding grains has shown Brown Rice (not flour) provides for some of the best results for spawning in jars or bags, along with Rye Berry, Sorghum, Milo, etc.

This is another one of those things that drive me wild is the conflicting information. I've seen successful growers offer advice that contradicts other successful growers. Between Shroomery, Reddit, Youtube, man, its a lot lol.


My money is on the advice given here. Reddit and youtube are full of idiots saying idiotic things. And you won't get much love around here saying stuff like "but this guy on reddit said ____".

Brown rice is for making flour in this hobby, there are many, many better choices for grain. People using uncle bens tek succeed by dumb luck, which is not consistently repeatable. But you do you.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BonsaidMycelium]
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if you want to use whole brown rice as grain spawn then do it...

like piggy said tho, if it was a worthy option you would see it being used here, and its not

no one said it didnt work, in fact i said the opposite- just that its on the lower tier of grains you could choose for a number of reasons


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: catnip40] * 1
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Thanks guys!

Don't take any of my posts/questions as arguing, definitely not my intent. Im just one of those people that needs to understand the reasoning behind something.

I will continue experimenting and will be trying other grains.

Thanks again!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BonsaidMycelium] * 3
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BonsaidMycelium said:
I was under the impression the discussion was about Brown Rice Grain, not flour. Almost every video I've seen regarding grains has shown Brown Rice (not flour) provides for some of the best results for spawning in jars or bags, along with Rye Berry, Sorghum, Milo, etc.

This is another one of those things that drive me wild is the conflicting information. I've seen successful growers offer advice that contradicts other successful growers. Between Shroomery, Reddit, Youtube, man, its a lot lol.


I'll save you some time, throw out reddit and youtube.  That's just a bunch of clowns clambering for likes and clout, and they'll say anything to get it.

Think of it this way...  The Shroomery existed decades before reddit, facebook, and it even predates youtube by almost a decade.  We have spent 25+ years here refining our grow methods based on what works the best, and also using actual clean work principles.  In that time we have managed to figure out things by volume and repetition.  Everyone here is anonymous, no one gets money or irl credit for cult work.  We do it for the love of the game.

Compare that to clowns who literally get paid by view count and sus out who is actually dedicated to helping people learn the best ways to grow.

I spend most of my time on here diagnosing grows gone wrong from people who came over from reddit, tube, and facebook.

The choice is yours.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BonsaidMycelium]
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BonsaidMycelium said:
Thanks guys!

Don't take any of my posts/questions as arguing, definitely not my intent. Im just one of those people that needs to understand the reasoning behind something.

I will continue experimenting and will be trying other grains.

Thanks again!


Nah homie, it definitely looks like you're trying to learn.  This is the place to ask any questions *taps the sign*


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Smellyhobbit said:
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: catnip40]
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But it's gluten free so if you're trying for myceliated grains that gluten. Free it would be an option (not the best option tho).

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja] * 2
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LewDoja said:
But it's gluten free so if you're trying for myceliated grains that gluten. Free it would be an option (not the best option tho).


WBS, milo, millet, corn :shrug:

All GF and I'd pick all of them over rice.


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Smellyhobbit said:
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Mr Piggy said:
LewDoja said:
But it's gluten free so if you're trying for myceliated grains that gluten. Free it would be an option (not the best option tho).


WBS, milo, millet, corn :shrug:

All GF and I'd pick all of them over rice.


Rev has been talkin' bout some quinoa for myceliated grains, I can get behind that one. But would adding veg broth and garlic to the sub mess it up?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: The Tao] * 1
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I'm not running PF tek, I was just saying brown rice was the source of nutrients in that tek and it's not a high yielding process which is why folks grow bulk (at least that's my understanding).

Advantages of PF:
  • bacteria resistance since you don't shake and the cake is immobile, myc outruns the bacteria - verm top layer helps too
  • doesn't require a PC, can sterilize with steam

Disadvantages of PF:
  • relatively low yielding since ratio is ~1:2 when tubs can be run at up to ~1:6 - more sub = more water = bigger shrooms
  • slow colonization since you can't shake and are stuck with your initial inoculation points

lol sorry for this sidebar on brown rice - I'm not recommending anyone use it, I was just trying to understand why it's a low tier grain for spawn (which I understand now thanks to everyone's input).

It would be nice to have one of those s/a/b/c tier images for grains and an accompanying explanation of why each grain lands where it does - I imagine what species you're cultivating also plays a big factor in grain choice.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: sage_bd] * 6
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thats it whos making the grain spawn tier list

wbs is definitely s tier

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Edited by catnip40 (02/05/25 02:13 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: sage_bd] * 2
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sage_bd said:
I'm not running PF tek, I was just saying brown rice was the source of nutrients in that tek and it's not a high yielding process which is why folks grow bulk (at least that's my understanding).

Advantages of PF:
  • bacteria resistance since you don't shake and the cake is immobile, myc outruns the bacteria - verm top layer helps too
  • doesn't require a PC, can sterilize with steam

Disadvantages of PF:
  • relatively low yielding since ratio is ~1:2 when tubs can be run at up to ~1:6 - more sub = more water = bigger shrooms
  • slow colonization since you can't shake and are stuck with your initial inoculation points

lol sorry for this sidebar on brown rice - I'm not recommending anyone use it, I was just trying to understand why it's a low tier grain for spawn (which I understand now thanks to everyone's input).

It would be nice to have one of those s/a/b/c tier images for grains and an accompanying explanation of why each grain lands where it does - I imagine what species you're cultivating also plays a big factor in grain choice.



The bacteria resistance does not come from the immobility, the medium is just more bacteria resistant than grain.  The verm top layer does not give any advantages, it is just a way to create a contamination barrier with supplies on hand.  PF was designed as a gateway method for mushroom cultivation for the average person who doesn't want to go all in on agar and grain from the start.  Jars with micron filter patches are much more effective at filtering contaminants.

Literally the only advantages are ease of startup (low cost, equipment) and the ability to use steam instead of PC.

When done correctly, cakes are certainly not low yielding.  They can PUMP out the fruits.  Cakes are supposed to be made with 1/2 pint squat jars, which they colonize just fine.  If someone is having slow colonization in cakes they are likely contaminated or are not in ideal conditions.


We run agar-grain-coir because it is the most effective and clean way to run high volume.  Past making one standard batch of PF cakes and fruiting them, it is far more efficient to run grain.  It's also cleaner and I have more control over the grow.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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One of my shoeboxes are about 50% colonized, but surface is dry. Should i mist or just leave it?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: sage_bd] * 3
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28913346#28913346
https://www.mind-media.com/go.php?https://www.neantog.com/journal/2022/2/1/all-you-need-to-know-about-grains

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Morinsana1]
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Looks more than 50%

By the moisture on the walls I'd say leave it... but if you're gonna do it any ways ... just be sure it's really fine mist as to not Mat up the mycelium

Edited by LewDoja (02/05/25 02:28 PM)

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