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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 1
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AspectOfTheCreator said:
How long should you let things settle in a sab before doing work?


You still on the struggle bus bro? Getting back to the basics I see.
I always waited 30 min but I’d imagine 10 would suffice


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Pin]
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Pin said:
Sooo many growing from the bottom. Oooph. How do y'all deal with this? What did I screw up? I did get a bunch from the top already, just wondering what to do with this mess...





You're not using a heating pad under your tub, are you? You should not if you are.

Bottom pins and side pins are from the growing conditions on bottom or side being more inviting than on the top.

Other than not heating the bottom, add a liner (unscented trash can in the tub before adding substrate mix) can help. So can adding a quarter inch of verm to the top after you make up the tub.

That said, it's good to have side pins / bottom pins once early on, to SEE what's going on down there. It's kind of like having a glass-bottom boat to see fish living their fish lives.


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Edited by nektar61 (01/24/25 01:51 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Pin] * 1
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Pin said:
Sooo many growing from the bottom. Oooph. How do y'all deal with this? What did I screw up? I did get a bunch from the top already, just wondering what to do with this mess...





You didn't screw up.  You can harvest or toss it as you prefer, but it will be messy to keep.

This happened because of moist air pockets between your tub and substrate.  The best way to prevent it is to thoroughly compact the sub and use a liner.  Compacting doesn't always work if you move the tub too much afterwards, because flexing of the walls allows fresh air to get down there.  Also, the sub shrinks as it dries, allowing more air down there.  The liner, if done correctly, will stick to the substrate as it shrinks and help to prevent this.

After that, it's just trying to create a tub that requires no misting, because I believe misting might also contribute to this a little too.  but that is conjecture.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Jebi] * 1
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I'm having a similar side/bottom pinning situation as well, from one x7x+ tub:






So my QQ: When I am harvesting the bigger fruits growing from the top surface (3 are ready to print!), should I also try to get the ones from the sides and bottom while I'm in there? I haven't seen any aborts yet, they are all growing right along.

I'm pretty sure the substrate pulled away from the tub when I carried them upstairs from the kitchen, I will adjust that going forward.

Thanks and love to you all!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 6
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AspectOfTheCreator said:
How long should you let things settle in a sab before doing work?


Hell, I even have a fan running in my lab space for my cacti- and I cut it off and get to work within minutes.  I kept pushing the envelope with the waiting time over the years, and the outcomes remained unchanged :shrug:

@Klarn- I'll slide a kitchen knife down and snag those all day :gangsta:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: alaskappalachian] * 1
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alaskappalachian said:
@Klarn- I'll slide a kitchen knife down and snag those all day :gangsta:


Kitchen knife, that's the move! Definitely will be easier than trying to take the whole sub out during its 1st flush! Thanks!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: alaskappalachian]
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alaskappalachian said:
AspectOfTheCreator said:
How long should you let things settle in a sab before doing work?


Hell, I even have a fan running in my lab space for my cacti- and I cut it off and get to work within minutes.  I kept pushing the envelope with the waiting time over the years, and the outcomes remained unchanged :shrug:

@Klarn- I'll slide a kitchen knife down and snag those all day :gangsta:




Agreed. It's nearly instantaneous, especially inside a SAB.

A strange example perhaps, but if you have ever been hot & sweaty going into a room with no circulation, you can feel the difference pretty quick. 🥵😩🤣


Also that theory that -I may mistakenly subscribe to - but it seems to be true is that moistened walls are statically charged (tote SAB) & any contaminants stick to it. -shrug-


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: nektar61]
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nektar61 said:
Pin said:
Sooo many growing from the bottom. Oooph. How do y'all deal with this? What did I screw up? I did get a bunch from the top already, just wondering what to do with this mess...





You're not using a heating pad under your tub, are you? You should not if you are.

Bottom pins (if that's what that is, I though it was plant sprouts at first) are from the conditions on bottom being more inviting than on the top.

Other than not heating the bottom, add a liner (unscented trash can in the tub before adding substrate mix) can help. So can adding a quarter inch of verm to the top after you make up the tub.


Nailed it. Yes, I'm using a heating pad sort of under the tub because the floor is 45f :frown: It's a plant sprouting matt set on the floor and then a 4" tall cardboard box and then the tub on top. I guess I'll cut that out and just raise everything higher off the floor.

Thank you!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Hey all,

First time in a long time. Was a member here 20+ years ago but lost access to my old account (dont even remember the name).

Anyway, i am in the process of my fourth grow attempt (none successful so far).

I went spawn to bulk 14 days ago. Everything is looking good, but no pins yet. The issue I am running into is my RH right now is between 16-20% in the closet where im keeping the grows. Temps are stable between 72-76, however I am using a small mini heater on the bottom shelf to keep the temps up in that closet, without it theyd be down in the 50s (the bottom half of the closet is unfinished so theres a draft, I have the unfinished portion temporarily sealed with plastic until I am able to properly seal it).

I have three shoeboxes in there that are near fully colonized. I went to fruiting conditions 5-6 days ago on the recommendation from someone else who is far more experienced.

Over the last few days though, the moisture level in the shoeboxes was pretty low, and the top of the substrate was pretty dry to the point where the coco was light brown. I misted it a bit last night, and closed the gap with the top tub (double tub).

At this point, im not sure what to do. Should I stop the FAE and put the lid back on? Do I just lightly mist it everyday?

Any help would be great. Thanks!




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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Pin]
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I have read that putting jars/bags/tubs/etc on the floor raises the contam possibility, which makes sense because gravity. So I've been keeping mine on shelves or even on top of a big box to keep them elevated.

Also, try to heat the room, not the tub. An oil-filled space heater is ideal since it has no fan to blow particulates around.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BonsaidMycelium]
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Those do look a bit dry. What is the temperature like without the space heater? 72-76 is plenty, but you could go down to 65 or so without issue.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KlarnEvil9]
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Without the heater the temps would be in the 50s :undecided:

I can move them out of the closet if needed, but they wont be in as clean an environment. The RH wont be much better either. I am really trying not to over hydrate because I lost my last three grows to contam from over misting/soggy grain.

Edited by BonsaidMycelium (01/23/25 02:38 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BonsaidMycelium]
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That is a bit chilly. This might be a good candidate for taking the whole sub out and place it in a water chamber to get that 3-D fruiting!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KlarnEvil9]
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Never heard of this. Will look into it.

Thanks!

For now I think I will try to rehome the tubs somewhere a bit warmer.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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hi.

mycelium grows very fast in the jar but when i mix it with 50/50 peat/vermiculite and put in a plastic box like always, it does not take over the casing layer and will not start pinning. i have done it several times the same way with success but all of a sudden it just doesn't work anymore.
so what i thought could be the problem is that i stopped wiping away the isopropanol before i put the mixture in, so the mycelium is in contact with it in a box. could this stop the mycelium from growing/fruiting?

thanks.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BonsaidMycelium] * 1
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Right on, hope it goes well!

Letting subs fruit in 3-D is part of Mateja's water tub tek. It's a fruiting chamber with aquarium bubblers to create extra humidity. I've seen it used to rescue weird grows like this one. That thread is a good read.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KlarnEvil9] * 1
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If I wanted to test wild spore prints directly without agar work (to not limit the present genetics), would PF Tek be the best way to go about it?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: soodumus]
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Have you always used peat for substrate,  normal is coir and peat is just used for casings after 100% colonized.

Unless it was a lot of ISO I don't think that would make it stall.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Huskies] * 1
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Yeah probably.  Just know wild is WAY dirtier than normal.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Huskies] * 1
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Huskies said:
If I wanted to test wild spore prints directly without agar work (to not limit the present genetics), would PF Tek be the best way to go about it?


I'd use agar becuase, as Lew said, it will likely be very dirty (lots of contam). But if you can't / wont use agar, I'd try ReverendMyc's "Pristine BRF Puck tek."

I haven't done it but I've seen several people talk about it with such glowing terms that they sound like they're describing a miracle for cleaning up spores.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28649340/page/1

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Some ways to use pucks:
  • Find guaranteed clean clones and spores of fruiting cultures in vitro
  • Great at starting stubborn spores that are reluctant to germinate on agar
  • Quick in vitro or top fruiting for trialing many cultures to pheno hunt
  • Josex Poke: No Mercy for Bacteria - to clean up stubborn bacterial problems
  • Clean up a bacterial grain jar by taking a few grains to a puck.
  • Start from just about any source. Works great from spore print, multi-spore syringe, Liquid Inoculate, troublesome agar plate, swab, sclerotia, plate pin, tub pin or part of one, you name it.





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