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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dirtnapz]
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Thank you all so much! It is a sad loss, but I will remove it for the greater good.

I know mold is almost always from the Jar but this is on my casing and my jars looked great. (To a noob)

Is it possible it came from my room or the sub? Tbh I don't see any in the left over sub in my bucket but it is Eco Earth and after I bought it I saw that it is a controversial coir on this site. Will switch to bliss.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Trippyskies420] * 2
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Trippyskies420 said:
Thank you all so much! It is a sad loss, but I will remove it for the greater good.

I know mold is almost always from the Jar but this is on my casing and my jars looked great. (To a noob)

Is it possible it came from my room or the sub? Tbh I don't see any in the left over sub in my bucket but it is Eco Earth and after I bought it I saw that it is a controversial coir on this site. Will switch to bliss.


no, environmental contam is super unlikely. most likely its your grain prep or when you go to noc them.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fiddle_head] * 1
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That's bad news to me. Thanks for the honesty and expertise.

I really am not sure which but I would guess inoculation. I followed HHG and sterile tek is the most room for me to make a mistake. I have another Tub of Crs that is basically fully colonized. Hopefully nothing floated in there.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Trippyskies420] * 2
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Trippyskies420 said:
That's bad news to me. Thanks for the honesty and expertise.

I really am not sure which but I would guess inoculation. I followed HHG and sterile tek is the most room for me to make a mistake. I have another Tub of Crs that is basically fully colonized. Hopefully nothing floated in there.


Yeah man, I wish you all the luck in the world. Check back in with us about your grow and let me know if you have any questions.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fiddle_head] * 5
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I ain't going anywhere soon. Ever since day 1 on Shroomery I have met nothing but amazing, helpful, and knowledgeable people. Thank you so much I really do appreciate it!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Trippyskies420] * 1
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Trippyskies420 said:
I ain't going anywhere soon. Ever since day 1 on Shroomery I have met nothing but amazing, helpful, and knowledgeable people. Thank you so much I really do appreciate it!


yup. you got it.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fiddle_head]
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Super noob question pls bear with me. I'm looking forward to my first harvest soon, and I plan on cloning any desirable genetics out of the flush. I've looked through some of the guides and it seems pretty straightforward, but I just wanted some input from the more experienced if there is one main thing I should keep in mind insofar as to cloning.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: noleboarder]
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noleboarder said:
Super noob question pls bear with me. I'm looking forward to my first harvest soon, and I plan on cloning any desirable genetics out of the flush. I've looked through some of the guides and it seems pretty straightforward, but I just wanted some input from the more experienced if there is one main thing I should keep in mind insofar as to cloning.


Sterile technique! Take tissue from tissue not exposed to air until you break it apart.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Herme5]
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27865684

Give this a once over if you haven’t already.

You want a piece from the inner stem. Something you sliced out. So nothing had touched it.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: noleboarder] * 3
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noleboarder said:
Super noob question pls bear with me. I'm looking forward to my first harvest soon, and I plan on cloning any desirable genetics out of the flush. I've looked through some of the guides and it seems pretty straightforward, but I just wanted some input from the more experienced if there is one main thing I should keep in mind insofar as to cloning.


Size, clustering, growth rate, desired trait(s)/characteristics. (examples)
Keep in mind that not all mutations are congenital and can be caused by environment, like if bacteria is present in significant enough amounts.

Selective cloning. Don’t clone Willy nilly. Select your trait, clone expeditiously by gently peeling apart the fruit inside the SAB, scrape tissue from inside with sterilized scalpel and transfer to plate. Follow sterile procedures.

You will not be able to tell if an abnormal desired characteristic will present until you grow it out. Being able to judge cultures based on their behavior and how they flush is something that comes with experience and time. Appearance on agar or grain is no guarantee of anything later down the line.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fiddle_head]
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do 100% of jars begin to pin if you just leave them?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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When a jar pins in vitro it means it is stressed out or has been sitting too long.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fiddle_head]
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I did something weird out of boredom. I put agar in pf tek jars with brf. I didn't shake the agar in at first. But I did after some top growth, and it caused the edges and bottom to all cover with myc rapidly. The core of the brf did not shake apart at all. So it's been a while and I have no idea when the core gets consolidated.

Every multispore cake i've made just pins after the recommended consolidation days. So I'm hoping these do too and that's why I asked.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome] * 1
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Ah, you meant 1/2 pints. Yeah I let my cakes go until they start to pin sometimes before that


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fiddle_head]
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noob question but what's the limit of coir:grain? is it 1:1 + casing or could i get away with 2:1 + casing?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Wishery]
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Wishery said:
I did something weird out of boredom. I put agar in pf tek jars with brf. I didn't shake the agar in at first. But I did after some top growth, and it caused the edges and bottom to all cover with myc rapidly. The core of the brf did not shake apart at all. So it's been a while and I have no idea when the core gets consolidated.

Every multispore cake i've made just pins after the recommended consolidation days. So I'm hoping these do too and that's why I asked.


Dropping the agar into the 1/2 pint jars is not recommended. It can be done, but the aim of the dry verm barrier in pf tek is to mitigate contamination and shaking the jar up will render that moot.

When using agar you generally want to go to grain, unless it’s just novel to you. Did you use verm?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: noobshroomer543]
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noobshroomer543 said:
noob question but what's the limit of coir:grain? is it 1:1 + casing or could i get away with 2:1 + casing?


You don’t really need a casing unless you’re growing penis envy varieties. I spawn my shoeboxes (6qt) @1:3 sometimes with a 1qt top layer applied at spawn. Alternatively, you could go higher, some people go as high as 1:10 but as a general rule I try not to go beyond a solid 1:4-1:5 in a larger tub.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: noobshroomer543] * 2
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You can definitely use more coir than spawn. The ratio is usually written spawn(mycoquarts):substrate. I usually use a mycoquart of spawn to two full quarts substrate, plus another quart as a top layer, for shoeboxes. 1:3 and 1:4 are not uncommon either.

The more substrate you use for a given amount of spawn, the more important it is for the spawn to be squeaky clean. Using higher spawn ratios for suspicious spawn helps give the mycelium a bit of an edge up - it finishes colonizing faster, hopefully before any bacteria in the spawn takes over.

But using more substrate conserves spawn and often results in bigger flushes (per unit of spawn) because the substrate acts as a large water reservoir (and mushrooms are 90+% water).


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon]
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I'm sorry what is a mycoquart? I've learned most of the lingo but I don't believe I've seen that

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Gypd812] * 1
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Gypd812 said:
I'm sorry what is a mycoquart? I've learned most of the lingo but I don't believe I've seen that


It’s just some measure that’s a little short of a full quart. We use grain in quart jars, but leave headspace to be able to shake. I think it’s not a very useful term because I may leave a lot more room, or less than someone else. I just call it a quart of spawn and know there has to be a bit less due to the space left for shaking. The term seems to cause more confusion for new growers than it’s worth, IMHO.


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