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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ArkaNaut]
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idk about all the agar recipes all i use is premix
OR is a healthy well colonized plate of ANY agar going to do nicely on ANY properly prepared grain, with an average colonization time of about 10 days +/- 3 days?
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tripdawg420] * 1
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Yes, any agar works, use what you have.  I think the idea of 'training' mycelium to digest their final substrate is overblown theory.

I was overthinking the grain soak water thing too, but i've been diluting it 1:1 GSW:water, and that's been working great.

I just made some corn grain soak water last night, along side Rye grain soak water.  The corn is very clear looking, (and it tastes great) 

Best way to learn is to try side by side and see if you notice a difference, or prefer one. 

In the end, i say, use what you got.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Generic]
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Generic said:
Yes, any agar works, use what you have.  I think the idea of 'training' mycelium to digest their final substrate is overblown theory.

I suspect as much.  Mycelium is highly adaptable. I suspect that it adapts almost immediately to whatever it has available to eat.  One starch versus another is probably not a huge difference.

I was overthinking the grain soak water thing too, but i've been diluting it 1:1 GSW:water, and that's been working great.

Most of the comments I’ve read also suggest it doesn’t make a huge difference.  Mycelium can grow on water agar, racing along the surface looking for nutrition.  It’ll use however much nutrition is available.

I just made some corn grain soak water last night, along side Rye grain soak water.  The corn is very clear looking, (and it tastes great) 

awesome.  I have corn, and I have rye, and I’ve been debating which one to try first.  I hope you’ll post your results!

Best way to learn is to try side by side and see if you notice a difference, or prefer one. 

In the end, i say, use what you got.

I have that first world problem where I got too many options.  Have a bag of rye, red wheat berries, popcorn, brown rice, light malt extract, brown rice flour. 

I just used my last brf plate, and I’m leaning towards spawning agar to corn spawn.  Yesterday I transferred vigorous myc to enough brf plates to be able put a whole plate into each quart of grain I make.  I need to make more agar, just paralyzed by too many recipe choices.:shrug:



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ArkaNaut]
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Is this ready to send? This is 48hrs after last shake at 60%. It recovered super fast and I don't *think* I see any signs or smells of contam. How's it look ?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ArkaNaut]
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Well you may have corn, rye, and wheat. but you don't necessarily have all those versions of grain soak water.

Grain soak water is a byproduct of soaking and cooking grain you are going to use anyway, so the first question to ask is, why are you prepping grain?  Is it for cube spawn?

In general, I think Rye is the favorite.  It colonizes nicely, has more inoculation points than corn (smaller grains), and may be easier for the mycelium to eat.

If you're new to this, maybe start with soaking some Rye berries (they're cheaper than wheat, right?)

Then you'll have your rye grain soak water for free, rather than going out of your way to soak specific grains.

Expect the rye grains to double in size after soaking.  I soak 1 cup dry rye per 1 quart jar.

You may see that a lot of the variability in nutrient content comes from this step, where people add an unknown amount of water to their grains to hydrate them and simmer them, thus, providing different strengths of GSW.  None of this is an exact science.

You will have more GSW than you know what to do with.  I freeze mine to have on hand for the next batch of agar.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Generic]
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Rye on the left, Popcorn on the right.
The jars on the bottom are LC's, diluted 1:4 GSW:Water.  Not for Agar, but it shows the clarity.

This is my first time using popcorn at all.  It seems like a nice GSW, but I don't think clarity matters to be honest.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Ylunnatic] * 1
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Ylunnatic said:
Is this ready to send? This is 48hrs after last shake at 60%. It recovered super fast and I don't *think* I see any signs or smells of contam. How's it look ?


I think it's looking good, especially after 48 hours, I like to have them recover like that 👍. Give it another day, I see a few grains, but well on your way.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: morningWood] * 1
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morningWood said:
Ylunnatic said:
Is this ready to send? This is 48hrs after last shake at 60%. It recovered super fast and I don't *think* I see any signs or smells of contam. How's it look ?


I think it's looking good, especially after 48 hours, I like to have them recover like that 👍. Give it another day, I see a few grains, but well on your way.


My query Ylunnatic is how much work did it take to break and shake that jar up. That bad boys fill to the tippy top. Good idea to leave some space in the jars to make this easier.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: HILLBILLY OUTLAW]
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Opinion:  What should I do with these almost fully colonized PF Pucks?



I have agar plates of each one getting ready to inoculate grain jars...Haven't made the grain jars yet...probably won't have time to make the grain spawn and more agar until the weekend.

All three of these strains are already on agar, and I still have their LC syringes, so I have genetic reserves.

If I top them with non-sterile, moisturized-to-field-capacity vermiculite or coco coir, could I get a few fruits just to sample each one...while waiting for other larger scale projects to produce?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ArkaNaut]
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what was your goal when you made them?

I'd be tempted to fruit at least one of those as is, in an effort to get a clone or spore print.

Was your LC syringe of a clone anyway, though?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ArkaNaut]
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I would bot bother birthing cakes that are not done colonizing.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: HILLBILLY OUTLAW] * 1
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Oh it was a huge pain to shake. Definitely overfilled them! Thanks for the response I'll send em to coco coir in 48 hours. This was a transfer from agar of PEU. I'm really excited to compare this to the last tub.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Generic said:
what was your goal when you made them?

I'd be tempted to fruit at least one of those as is, in an effort to get a clone or spore print.

Was your LC syringe of a clone anyway, though?


It was LC purchased from a reputable vendor.  I made them while I was getting set up for agar.  Now that I’m set up for agar, I have multiple genetic reserves.  I’ve not yet had fruits from any of these strains. 

GenesisCorrupted said:
I would bot bother birthing cakes that are not done colonizing.


Me either - just planning ahead.  Doesn’t show great in the pic but these are 99% colonized.  Probably be consolidated in a few days.

Edit:  double checked the josex post about this
Poke and Puck

Turns out these pucks tend to pin without casing.  So I’ll just leave em be and wait.  Perhaps clone the pins for practice, maybe just enjoy em if it’s enough yield for a single dose


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Edited by ArkaNaut (06/10/24 08:50 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ArkaNaut] * 1
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I saw some potato starch at the asian grocery store today, so I bought it. I've been having great success with my gnocchi water agar, so I figured this would be a way of getting that without having to cook the gnocchi.

Anyone got a reliable recipe for agar with potato starch?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Huskies]
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28679015


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Huskies said:
I saw some potato starch at the asian grocery store today, so I bought it. I've been having great success with my gnocchi water agar, so I figured this would be a way of getting that without having to cook the gnocchi.

Anyone got a reliable recipe for agar with potato starch?


GenesisCorrupted said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28679015


Also discussion about potato starch specifically vs potato flakes :

Starch vs flakes


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ArkaNaut]
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You can supplement anything I even say you can use powder.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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Thanks! That was exactly what I wanted!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Huskies] * 1
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On today's episode of "how we lookin boys?"

Got these two tubs started 6/5

Everything looking OK so far? First timer so idk what to look out for.




Next up we have some jars I made, again first time for this too. Inoculated 5/25. Almost ready for break n shake or not yet? Or are they looking fucked at all?






And for the grand finale, 3 shoeboxes I got goin on 6/8, was just wondering if this amount of condensation is normal for shoeboxes after only a couple days. The monotubs have almost no condensation and these guys are lookin like a rain forest.





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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Professor Chaos]
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:asianofapproval:
you good

Shake that corn and leave them tubs alone :tongue2:
(as a rule of thumb you should litfa the first 10 days)
Seems from here that you didn't use a pseudo-casing top layer of coir, right?


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