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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Haven't actually found a good water measurement for pure coir to achieve field capacity. Roughly how much water do I need per 100g of a coir block to achieve field capacity without adding any vermiculite?

And finally - is it ok to use pure coir for the watertub tek for BRF jars or should it be mixed with some vermiculite after all?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stroopwafelman] * 4
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For pure coir, I recommend starting with 4ml of water to every gram of coir. That's gonna put you on the dry side, so you'll need to add more water to reach field capacity. Roughly 4-5ml of water per gram of coir is the range you will be in. It is a lot easier to add more water than to remove it, especially if you don't have verm.

It is perfectly fine to use pure coir, for anything. Verm is 100% a personal preference.


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Edited by Way (06/03/23 08:55 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
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Thanks
I'll probably also be pasteurizing the coir just for my peace of mind. Should I aim at the higher end of the 4-5ml per gram range in that case or is water loss minimal during pasteurization?
Does the pasteurization method affect the losses significantly? Currently considering either pasteurizing in an oven or in a jar in a water bath, using a meat thermometer in both cases.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stroopwafelman] * 1
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stroopwafelman said:
Thanks
I'll probably also be pasteurizing the coir just for my peace of mind. Should I aim at the higher end of the 4-5ml per gram range in that case or is water loss minimal during pasteurization?
Does the pasteurization method affect the losses significantly? Currently considering either pasteurizing in an oven or in a jar in a water bath, using a meat thermometer in both cases.



Nobody here would recommend sticking coir in an oven. The hardest we go is usually bucket tek with boiling water, but a lot of people just use hot tap water just fine now.

Pasteurization is unnecessary for coir though.


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Edited by Way (06/03/23 09:21 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
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That's mycelium right?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
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The oven thing I was referring to is this tek
Easy Oven Pasteurization 123
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This method works with coco fiber, vermiculite, strawnet, horse dung, compost, cow dung, donkey dung and pelleted straw.



And this one for water bath pasteurization
Frank's Proper Pasteurization Tek 3.0

Both teks are 8+ years old. Is that considered outdated? They are both from Trusted Cultivators though.

Edited by stroopwafelman (06/03/23 09:19 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stroopwafelman]
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stroopwafelman said:
The oven thing I was referring to is this tek
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=20822448&fpart=&PHPSESSID=
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This method works with coco fiber, vermiculite, strawnet, horse dung, compost, cow dung, donkey dung and pelleted straw.



And this one for water bath pasteurization
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=17246844&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

Both teks are 8+ years old though. Is that considered outdated? They are both from Trusted Cultivators though.


I guess I should have added the word currently. You can pasteurize coir in an oven, but the question is why are you pasteurizing coir in the first place?

Coir doesn't need pasteurization


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Cashmunnay]
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Cashmunnay said:

That's mycelium right?


Right


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stroopwafelman] * 2
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Coir, as said, doesn't usually need to be pasteurized, at least if it's of decent quality. That first post linked is also for other substrate materials as well that do benefit from being pasteurized.
The second is over a decade old. There are a lot of threads here that aren't up to date and some are fine, but it's generally a good idea to follow Teks that are either recent,
updated, or have contributions, apart from necro posts, that are recent.

Here is a video on how to prep coir, from one of the TC's, that also mentions that the hot water is used primarily to help with hydrating coir, rather than to pasteurize it:



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
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I usually just assume the worst possible outcome and prepare for it - never failed me in my life. In this case I'm assuming that the coir block I purchased is dirty as all hell and probably has trich or something of that sort.
I also don't have a large bucket (or especially an insulated one that's actually suggested in the bucket tek), I do however have jars and/or a turkey tray if I go the oven way and a meat thermometer.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stroopwafelman]
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The choice is entirely yours if that's the way you want to go. It's not that it's wrong to pasteurize coir, more that it's often just unnecessary.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way] * 2
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My apologies stroopwafelman, we just had a very spirited discussion about baking verm a few days ago and I'm having flashbacks. I totally get peace of mind. Just trying to steer you away from wasting energy.

If you want to do it to make yourself feel better, that is perfectly fine and I'm down with that. I'll let someone who still pasteurizes their coir step in and give you some advice. You do you :thumbup:

Nothing wrong with it drying out a bit during pasteurization and adding water  after to reach field capacity if necessary.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: johnukguy]
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I perfectly understand that it's unnecessary, but I'd rather jump though 5 additional hoops than have my first grow fail on me because I wanted to save some time, or in case it does fail for some reason I'll be completely sure it wasn't because of the coir. And with my general level of luck and the outlook on life/karma and all that BS I'd rather air on the side of extreme (if usually completely unnecessary) caution.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stroopwafelman] * 2
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I can understand that thinking. You can also go for PF Tek grow, which tends to be more contamination resistant, to start with. That can be a real boost when it comes to gaining confidence. You absolutely can cultivate and can do so well, but also do bear in mind that often, too much love for the mycelium can be counter productive.


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Evey Hammond: Well I can see that.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stroopwafelman] * 3
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That's fine. As you grow you'll come to understand more of the mechanisms of how contamination occurs. As a new grower, it is easy to think that everything is a contamination vector and breathing on your grow or looking at it funny is gonna cause contamination.

You'll come to understand that once you have clean spawn, the rest really doesn't matter. It is especially true with BRF cakes that are one completely consolidated mycelium colony and extremely contamination resistant when left as one cake. You could sprinkle some trich spores on the coir covering a cake and it would be fine.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Way] * 1
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First Lc, this is the what I'm seeing after testing it on agar. Put the lc onto the agar around 48 hours ago. Idk if it being this spikey is normal but I thought it kinda looked a little suspect




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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra]
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Yahra said:
I inoculated 10 PF jars today without using any IPA at all. Let's see how it goes.


Toss'em and call Bella Ramsey and Pedro Pascal until it's too late. We have to try, no matter what

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Luftwaffles90] * 3
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Luftwaffles90 said:
First Lc, this is the what I'm seeing after testing it on agar. Put the lc onto the agar around 48 hours ago. Idk if it being this spikey is normal but I thought it kinda looked a little suspect






Looks very promising! :thumbup:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stroopwafelman] * 1
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stroopwafelman said:
I perfectly understand that it's unnecessary, but I'd rather jump though 5 additional hoops than have my first grow fail on me because I wanted to save some time, or in case it does fail for some reason I'll be completely sure it wasn't because of the coir. And with my general level of luck and the outlook on life/karma and all that BS I'd rather air on the side of extreme (if usually completely unnecessary) caution.


But why do you want to pasteurize it? There's no thermophilic organisms in there.

Just cook it https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24103508


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Edited by altford78 (06/04/23 03:13 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: altford78] * 1
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Second shoebox is starting to pin. How does it look? The myc is mostly beaded, but the coir is very dry in some exposed spots. Do I mist or no?



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