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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Russia keeps taking city after city.  Here are the cities Russia's taken since April:

DONETSK
Zarichne            April
Luhanske          May
Lyman                May
Mariupol            May
Myronivskyi      May
Svitlodarsk        May
Sviatohirsk        June
Berestove        July
Novoluhanske  July
Solodke            July

KHARKIV
Borova              April
Brazhkivka        April
Dvorichna          April
Shestakove        April

KHERSON
Kalynivske          April
Khreshchenivka April
Novoraisk          April
Oleksandrivka    April
Barvinok            June
Lozove              July

LUHANSK
Kreminna            April
Popasna              May
Rubizhne            May
Bilohorivka          June
Hirske                June
Sievierodonetsk June
Toshkivka          June
Zolote                June
Lysychansk        July
Novodruzhesk    July
Pryvillia              July


Since April, what has Ukraine done?  Bombed Russia off Snake Island?  Snapped a photo in Russian territory?


This seems to be a good example of debating based on facts vs debating based on emotions.

The usual debate is "my side is better than your side" followed by "nuh uh, my side is better".

The above example tries to look at only the facts, and the facts show that Ukraine is losing badly.  Today was an especially bad day for Ukraine, but everyone's attention now seems to have shifted on Pelesi crossing China's red line in Taiwan.  (Do we not have a thread on this?)

China didn't shoot her plane down, but I suspect they will soon hit the US with massive economic policy changes that will sink us further into recession.

Speaking of which, are we in a recession now or not?  We've had two quarters of negative GDP growth, but Biden said not to worry about it, recession is getting redefined.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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*This has been your daily Kremlin press briefing*


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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I try to avoid commentating on war as if it were a soccer match. It's kind of gross.
Russia does appear to have a considerable portion of Ukrainian territory. ..although I'd be careful cheering that on. Every town outside of the breakaway regions that they capture is another point of proof that this war is a land grab- not a special 'defense' operation of ethnic russians.
I guess we'll see how much they try to annex in the end.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Lynnch]
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Russia should have rolled Ukraine (the poorest nation in Europe) in days. They already took part of the country for fun just a few years ago.

With so much internal support Russia should have just marched through and handed out Nesting Dolls and everybody would have cheered and held hands.

Oh, wait. Russia blew people up instead.

:cookiemonster:


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: christopera]
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40,000 dead soldiers doesn’t look much like winning


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods]
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Even if the real number 1/4 that, they've still lost more soldiers than the US did in Afghanistan in 20 years. They are saving people by the negative dozens.



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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: koods] * 2
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The above example tries to look at only the facts, and the facts show that Ukraine is losing badly.


koods said:
*This has been your daily Kremlin press briefing*


Is that what you call facts now?  I'm open to counterarguments, but you never seem to have any; just insults.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Lynnch] * 2
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Lynnch said:
Russia does appear to have a considerable portion of Ukrainian territory. ..although I'd be careful cheering that on.


I'm not cheering it, I'm reporting it.

Lynnch said:
Every town outside of the breakaway regions that they capture is another point of proof that this war is a land grab- not a special 'defense' operation of ethnic russians.


Zelensky was offered a peace deal in exchange for recognizing Crimea as Russian and Donbas as independent.  He chose to fight.

Now that it's clear Russia will win the fight, does Russia give Zelensky their original offer again?  This war cost Russia a lot of money and lives.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: christopera] * 1
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christopera said:
Russia should have rolled Ukraine (the poorest nation in Europe) in days. They already took part of the country for fun just a few years ago.


Russia wanted to minimize ethnic Russians and civilian deaths, and Crimea overwhelmingly voted to rejoin Russia.  I'll keep reminding you of that until you disprove it.

christopera said:
With so much internal support Russia should have just marched through and handed out Nesting Dolls and everybody would have cheered and held hands.


If only it were that easy.  People in Ukraine are split between Russian and Ukrainian loyalty.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: christopera] * 1
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Russia said Mariupol would be completely rebuilt in 3 years, and it they will make it a major tourist city (for tourists who travel within/to Russia).


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Who believes anything Russia says ?


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
twighead said:
The Ecstatic said:
mushboy said:
Scott Ritter pedophile and really smart guy according to stable. Also Clare Daly who enjoys the company of Iranians who murder homosexuals. Also ‘smart as f’

You sound like trump trying to prop up the most insane people only because they agree with you.


Joe Biden who enjoys the company of Saudi Arabians who dismember journalists alive.


I seem to remember a different president being in power when this actually happened lol


So?


So?^2


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: twighead]
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Well, if I meet someone new, and find out that they are a convicted child rapist I don't write it off because it happened a few years ago and  decide it's probably cool to let them babysit my kids.

Now, Does Joe have to hang out with scumbag royals sometimes even if he finds it distasteful? I mean, probably?  Geopolitics is complicated.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Russia said Mariupol would be completely rebuilt in 3 years, and it they will make it a major tourist city (for tourists who travel within/to Russia).


Mariupol definitely in the top of my bombed out hellscape bucket list

“Mariupol, Russia: get here while you can still smell the rotting corpses”


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (08/02/22 07:35 PM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Russia said Mariupol would be completely rebuilt in 3 years, and it they will make it a major tourist city (for tourists who travel within/to Russia).


Yes, completely rebuilt in three years. Easy.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: christopera]
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Eh 3 years seems like long enough. All you gotta do is sweep up a main street, pop up some beach umbrellas, take a few pics of smiling locals who are just so happy to be living under russian rule, and call it a day.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Lynnch]
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The dead Maripul people are really going to appreciate it being rebuilt in such a short period of time. It's not like they got blown up or anything.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Life in Mariupol is slowly returning to normal.

Construction is going on like crazy throughout the city.  Mariupol residents who lost their homes as a result of hostilities will be given a new condo for free.



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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
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lmao where do you dig up this dumb propaganda


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Threat [Re: twighead]
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I guess while Pelosi has her sun hat and muu-muu packed she'll be visiting the Donbas? I heard she's into the democracy of autonomous regions.

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