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Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest
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Please help with ID I can answer any questions you have.







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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: longbus]
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Compare to kuehneromyces mutabilis?
They look like galerina marginata but I don't think they are....


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: MentalPariah] * 1
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MentalPariah said:
Compare to kuehneromyces mutabilis?
They look like galerina marginata but I don't think they are....


K. mutabilis is what I'd call them.

The scales on the lower part of the stem is a key feature.


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: Anglerfish]
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I should add it was growing on soil.


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: Anglerfish]
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MentalPariah said:
Compare to kuehneromyces mutabilis


Anglerfish said:
K. mutabilis is what I'd call them.

The scales on the lower part of the stem is a key feature.


Agreed



longbus said:
I should add it was growing on soil.


Most likely it was growing from wood that got buried.


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: Nitro87]
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Is there a good way to tell them apart from the marginata ?


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: longbus]
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longbus said:
Is there a good way to tell them apart from the marginata ?



Here's how I have been telling them apart.
1) scales near the base of the stem
2) lighter colored gills
3) very defined annulus

I'm sure there are better ways to tell but those are the red flags for me that they are not galerina.


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: MentalPariah]
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These ones just popped up overnight I think. I would be interested in seeing if the scales are more defined as they grow older. It sucks that almost every other feature is similar to the marginata. Although the galerina doesn't seem to have that same blotch of discolouration at the top of the cap that the ones I an IDing do. Is there a word for that blotching?


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: longbus]
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Hygrophanous is the word you're looking for.... And yes galerina marginata are hygrophanous as well.

Someone page renegade to stir shit up again about these vs galerina marginata :laugh2:


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: longbus]
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longbus said:
Is there a good way to tell them apart from the marginata ?


In addition to what has been said above, I would say that kuehneromyces mutabilis tends to grow in larger and more dense clusters than Galerina marginata, and has a more reddish cinnamon brown spore print as opposed to the snuff brown spore print of Galerina marginata. Some sources may tell you that if the cap dries from the inside outward it is kuehneromyces mutabilis, and if it dries from the outside inward it is Galerina marginata, but this is incorrect because Galerina marginata can dry in either direction. I would very strongly recommend that kuehneromyces mutabilis should not be collected for food because the risk of misidentification is too great, and because they can be found in the same habitat it is very possible they could be found growing right next to each other. I have actually eaten kuehneromyces mutabilis before after a very careful identification, and I would say they taste okay, but nothing special and certainly not something you should risk your life over.


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: Duggstar]
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Duggstar said:
longbus said:
Is there a good way to tell them apart from the marginata ?


In addition to what has been said above, I would say that kuehneromyces mutabilis tends to grow in larger and more dense clusters than Galerina marginata, and has a more reddish cinnamon brown spore print as opposed to the snuff brown spore print of Galerina marginata. Some sources may tell you that if the cap dries from the inside outward it is kuehneromyces mutabilis, and if it dries from the outside inward it is Galerina marginata, but this is incorrect because Galerina marginata can dry in either direction. I would very strongly recommend that kuehneromyces mutabilis should not be collected for food because the risk of misidentification is too great, and because they can be found in the same habitat it is very possible they could be found growing right next to each other. I have actually eaten kuehneromyces mutabilis before after a very careful identification, and I would say they taste okay, but nothing special and certainly not something you should risk your life over.


Thank you. At this point I'm not trying to eat any of these, but just get my IDing chops up. It sucks how hard it is to ID certain mushrooms. I really need a microscope, that would solve all these problems.


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: longbus]
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longbus said:
It sucks how hard it is to ID certain mushrooms. I really need a microscope, that would solve all these problems.


I disagree, for general foraging and identifying active mushrooms you really don't need a microscope at all, you can really go quite far in your IDs without a microscope, even if you never get to the exact species, you can tell just from the macro characteristics that it from a genus that only contains edible species, or a group within a genus that are all edible. It all depends how far you want to take it, for more advanced mycology you would need a microscope, but for beginner level foraging purposes you really don't need one.


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: Duggstar]
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I want to know the exact species.


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: longbus]
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longbus said:
I want to know the exact species.



Sometimes even with microscopy that's not possible. Microscopy will get you a lot closer though! You want to know beyond doubt then you'll need to invest in ITS gene equipment....and even then it could still be hit or miss.


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Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant
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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: MentalPariah]
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Jeez what the hell?! Why is it so hard?!


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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: longbus]
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longbus said:
Jeez what the hell?! Why is it so hard?!


That's what makes it fun!!!

For the most part identifying to genus is sufficient and then you can weed the species out with careful research. Just have fun with it and enjoy the hobby!!!


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Whoever appeals to the law against his
Fellow man is either a fool or a coward
Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant
If I live I will kill you, if I die you are forgiven
Such is the rule of honor

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Re: Weird cluster mushrooms - Yukon - growing on grassy edge of a pine poplar spruce forest [Re: MentalPariah]
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MentalPariah said:
longbus said:
Jeez what the hell?! Why is it so hard?!


That's what makes it fun!!!

For the most part identifying to genus is sufficient and then you can weed the species out with careful research. Just have fun with it and enjoy the hobby!!!


I am here in the yukon and I have noticed that there is a lot of unrecorded science up here. I want to discover a new species. I need to be able to ID specific species, but I guess I should learn to walk before I can run.


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