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 IpomoeaViolacea
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Registered: 12/25/03
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 Psilocybe cyanescens 
#2784816 - 06/11/04 12:29 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does anyone have any experience hunting/eating these mushrooms? I live in Ohio, near the river, and I am very close to West Virginia. I usually pick Psilocybe caerulipes across the river, around different places of WV, though lately I have been actually finding Psilocybe cyanescens there. These mushrooms aren't supposed to grow anywhere near the states I live around, but I have no doubt that these are Wavy Caps. I didn't believe it when a couple friends first told me about it, but after I've seen them growing, and I properly identified them, they are indeed Psilocybe cyanescens. Apparently a good many years ago the place was spored, and these mushrooms were introduced to the area. There are about three different locations that I find reasonable amounts of them in. I just picked a couple today. They are a very potent species, and I was just wondering if anyone here has hunted for them or eaten them? Here is a picture:
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Sailing on the wind
in a milk white gown
Dropping circle stones on a sun dial
Playing hide and seek
with the ghosts of dawn
Waiting for a smile from a sun child.
"Moonchild" by King Crimson
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7777
The one
Registered: 06/08/04
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What the fuck is that???
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haploid
Registered: 02/18/99
Posts: 2,486
Loc: Washington
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Interesting find, hard to see in that picture though. Is that bluing I see or just shitty lighting? 
How did you "properly identify them" as P. cyanescens? Just asking cause I *HIGHLY* doubt they're that species. I'm very familiar with the cyans, they only grow in the fall/winter and haven't been reported from the east coast. If the daytime temps are getting above 70 with any regularity, I'd say you can rule out P. cyanescens.
if they are anything active, they would most likely be caerulipes, which makes me wonder what this other species you're calling caerulipes is  ... you sure they're not just younger fruits of the same species? a better description and better pics (preferably of younger specimens, and your "caerulipes") would be nice. P. caerulipes seems to be a pretty rare find by how many posts are here on it. Definitely get some good spore prints and better pics if you can...
DH
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IpomoeaViolacea
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: spores]
#2785190 - 06/11/04 02:15 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have taken spore prints, and I've read extensively about identifying them by sight, smell, environment, taste, etc.. They are definitely not caerulipes. Caerulipes are very common in these parts of WV. There have been 80 arrests in a single day of people picking them. I know this is a very bad picture. The darkness is both blueing and bad lighting. I have eaten these caps several times, and I don't know of any other mushrooms they could possibly be. I will take my camera out to where I pick them, and you will see the nice caramel color and such.
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Sailing on the wind
in a milk white gown
Dropping circle stones on a sun dial
Playing hide and seek
with the ghosts of dawn
Waiting for a smile from a sun child.
"Moonchild" by King Crimson
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hawk
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Registered: 01/30/03
Posts: 275
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Caerulipes are very common in these parts of WV. Quote:
Are not common at all, and according to Stamets it is not found frequently. Unless you are
in league with the great mushroom of the wood realm, you are full of it. 
Edited by hawk (06/11/04 03:07 PM)
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haploid
Registered: 02/18/99
Posts: 2,486
Loc: Washington
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Well, cyans dont really have a distinct smell or taste, and the environment is wrong for them (OH in late spring), so that leaves looks as the only similarity you've given us they share with the cyanescens... Not too convincing...
Also, I dunno if you've noticed but caerulipes is not listed by any of the spore vendors, when I said get prints, I meant partly for ID and partly to spread around for cultivation/microscopy if indeed you do have an active psilocybe . I think the cultivation inclined among us would be interested in a potent species that fruits at warm temps ...
What are you finding them in (substrate)? And what are the temperatures like lately?
DH
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IpomoeaViolacea
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: spores]
#2785454 - 06/11/04 03:10 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wasn't asking for help with identification. I know what I have. I was just asking if anyone has experience with these mushrooms.. They don't have a really distinct smell or taste, but I know what they smell like as compared with some others that look vaugely similar. The caerulipes are indeed a rare mushroom, but these have been identified by mycologists. There are websites out there that verify this. www.magic-mushrooms.net is one of them. It talks about the arrests made for possesion of the caerulipes. However, about the others that I posted about, they are definitely active. I have eaten them several times. It only takes one large mushroom to have a decent experience. I have eaten more than that, but I got very significant CEV's from one large cap/stem, lots of laughter, spirituality, and I can tell that these mushrooms have a high Psilocin content.
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Sailing on the wind
in a milk white gown
Dropping circle stones on a sun dial
Playing hide and seek
with the ghosts of dawn
Waiting for a smile from a sun child.
"Moonchild" by King Crimson
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spores
haploid
Registered: 02/18/99
Posts: 2,486
Loc: Washington
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Quote:
IpomoeaViolacea said:
I wasn't asking for help with identification. I know what I have.
You may think you do, but if you can't explain *exactly* why you know what they are, beyond saying they look, smell and taste like cyans  , that makes me think you don't really know...
I'm not trying to be a dick, I think they do look like they could be active from that picture, I just disagree with your identification of P. cyanescens based primarily on the season and part of the country you found them. If you don't want to listen, I guess that's fine, but I'm not just talking shit, I've picked plenty of cyans and am pretty confident in saying what you have is not them. Maybe mjshroomer will have some more input for you if/when he sees this...
Peace,
DH
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day_tripper
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Registered: 11/01/03
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post some habitat pics and tell us more about all this. I also have a lot of trouble believing those are ps. cyans, cuz it really makes no sense. If they aren't cyans, i'd be interested to hear what they are. Show more pics!!
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hawk
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: day_tripper]
#2785537 - 06/11/04 03:31 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, maybe I was a little tough on you. I would like to get these identified as well. Maybe get some fresh specimens, those just are very difficult to examine
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IpomoeaViolacea
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: hawk]
#2785582 - 06/11/04 03:38 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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To all, I am not trying to be a dick either.. However, I have done extensive research, and though I really don't understand how it is possible that they are Psilocybe cyanescens, I have no idea what else they could be. I am not going to say that I am 100% sure that these are cyans, but I am going to say I am 100% sure they are active. I pick them and eat them all the time. I will be picking again in a couple days, and I will take plenty of pictures so that you guys will see that I am not crazy in suspecting Psilocybe cyanescens. I wish I would have taken pictures today, as these were picture perfect specimens before I picked them. They look identical to most of the Psilocybe cyanescens pictures I've seen on the web.
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Sailing on the wind
in a milk white gown
Dropping circle stones on a sun dial
Playing hide and seek
with the ghosts of dawn
Waiting for a smile from a sun child.
"Moonchild" by King Crimson
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haploid
Registered: 02/18/99
Posts: 2,486
Loc: Washington
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Looking forward to the pics
Like I said above too, get some good clean prints on foil...
If no one else wants one, I do  . I have other spores to trade if ya want.
DH
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hawk
Stranger
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Can not wait. 
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mjshroomer
Sage
Registered: 07/21/99
Posts: 13,774
Loc: gone with my shrooms
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They sure look like over-aged P. caerulipes to me. Many Psilocybes caps turn up and becomewavy with age. and P. caerulips like any other Psilocybe can have large fruiting sin man made environments.
P. cyanescensi is a cold weather species and the site you went to is wrouth with many errors and even a few misidentified species.
So No matter what you think, those are not Psilocybe cyanescens.
And again, the only other possibility is P. caerulipes.
If I had Photoshop I cols clean up the color but i am going to attempt to in a different program.
mj
Will be back in a few minutes with some color corrections.
mj
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@cro
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Registered: 12/07/02
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Loc: The PNW
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I'm with DH on this one. Although it's hard to argue with your ingestion and proclamation of them being actives not much else fits well, or at all, with cyans. Cyans rarely ever fruit in the off season and if they are going to, Ohio just seems to be an unlikely place.
I am looking forward to some more pics, this does sound interesting and if you're wondering what to do with a print after taking it for IDing I wouldn't mind checking it out under the scope.
Peace - @cro
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mjshroomer
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: spores]
#2786802 - 06/12/04 12:08 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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IpomoeaViolacea is incorrect in i his identification of these mushrooms as Psilocybe cyanescens.
After working in Illustrator 8, here is the color of the shrooms and they are definitely old rotting Psilocybe caerulipes specimens.
Here is the correct image and I hope it shows up as clearly as I just corrected it.
mj
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Gumby
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Registered: 06/13/01
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: mjshroomer]
#2786810 - 06/12/04 12:10 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree, there is absolutely no way they are Ps. cyanescens. Not only do they not grow in Ohio, they don't fruit in the summer.
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IpomoeaViolacea
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Gumby]
#2787259 - 06/12/04 08:19 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok.. First off, good job on the picture. However, when these were picked, they were beautiful, picture perfect, full grown specimens that must have just came up earlier in the morning. They did not look anything like they do in that picture when I picked them. The younger specimens that I've found all have wavy caps and a thick caramel color. On that picture, it would be easy to identify them as Psilocybe caerulipes, but they are absolutely not. I am not going to continue the cyanescens arguement until I get pictures, but I defy anyone to find me a picture of a caerulipes that looks remotely close to these mushrooms fresh, and to tell me that these do not look identical to cyanescens. I just hope I can get out soon because it has been raining like crazy.
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Sailing on the wind
in a milk white gown
Dropping circle stones on a sun dial
Playing hide and seek
with the ghosts of dawn
Waiting for a smile from a sun child.
"Moonchild" by King Crimson
Edited by IpomoeaViolacea (06/12/04 08:26 AM)
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Mitchnast
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Registered: 10/27/99
Posts: 8,656
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www.mushroomjohn.com/species26.htm
right on the page it mentions your refernce to 80 arrests a day and also shows a speimine that hasn't completely lost its carmel tone yet.
and it is MJs site to boot.
so basically, the guy who most likely originally wrote the reference you used disagrees with you.
i would also say that those are caerulipes.
i'd like tho know what "mycologist" told you otherwise.
hes not far off for appearances, but realistically, youe got
caerulipes there, not cyans.
even so, goody goody thats a potent little bugger, and although they may exist within my range, ive personally yet to find them.
young psilocybes of the carmel-capped, potent, wood-loving ilk all look quite alike. but those adult specimines you posted show no indication of being anything but psilocybe caerulipes.
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IpomoeaViolacea
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Mitchnast]
#2787442 - 06/12/04 10:22 AM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, you will definitely see differently when I post the new pictures. I never said that a mycologist said they were cyanescens. I said that a mycologist identified the very common mushrooms that people were getting arrested for to be caerulipes. However, I know many people that pick caerulipes that have came across these other mushrooms, and they had no idea what they were, let alone believing them to be psychoactive. I have eaten caerulipes, and these others are far more potent.
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Sailing on the wind
in a milk white gown
Dropping circle stones on a sun dial
Playing hide and seek
with the ghosts of dawn
Waiting for a smile from a sun child.
"Moonchild" by King Crimson
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