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CaptainTrips420

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How do I learn more about Native American Church?

#27597585 - 12/28/21 03:29 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I would like to study the Native American Church and its beliefs. Is there any good books or anything I’m genuinely interested in what they believe it’s not just peyote. Although I do believe that mescaline cactus has an old school type of vibe. I’m also interested in Santo Daime church but I would like to understand the meaning behind the trip. I’m just going to a place I don’t understand I feel the need to improve my own shamanism and would like to be around a pro just to understand. I would dedicate my life to these plants without a doubt but I don’t understand the use besides recreation.

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27597628 - 12/28/21 04:04 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Here's a directory of their churches, maybe that can help you find a representative in your area:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050308162749/http://www.utah-nac.org/nacindex.html

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CaptainTrips420

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27599055 - 12/29/21 07:09 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks I might try and contact them at some point I don’t currently have a car. I am really interested in learning there beliefs I used to attend a Unitarian Universalist church but I don’t strongly agree with any religion I have studied.

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Buster_Brown
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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27599322 - 12/29/21 11:39 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

They'll probably want to hear about your Vision Quest so if you haven't done that you might want to do that first.

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syncro

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27599454 - 12/30/21 05:44 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Sometimes I just start shaking a rattle. seriously

holding out for the shaman, at least a bit, when talk was all superficial

I wish I had a rattle, it's at my ex's, a powerful tool there

I complain they talk too much, then see I'm worse in my own head

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27599476 - 12/30/21 06:34 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

syncro said:

when talk was all superficial

40 days is a bit excessive for a vision quest I think but apparently that's what Jesus did, and afterwards talking was everything.

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27599495 - 12/30/21 07:05 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

There was a time when I took words in need, world's truth paths in ways I could absorb. Then for a long time I did not read much.

Word volume can be overwhelming but also, I think, a potent practice in its time.

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27599514 - 12/30/21 07:23 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Words may not be requisite in a machine that is sef-aware, which begs the question for whom the machine serves.

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syncro

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27599546 - 12/30/21 08:05 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Or the nature of the creator.

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#27599759 - 12/30/21 11:13 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

If the creator didn't give free-will things wouldn't be such a mess.

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syncro

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#27600934 - 12/31/21 08:29 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Can I fly my mountain into the eye of the needle? I suppose, if remade. This be of one mind stuff. So much seems to oppose it. I guess that is natural to power.

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27601049 - 12/31/21 10:55 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I am unfamiliar with the theory of 'One Mind'

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syncro

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27601104 - 12/31/21 12:07 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

:cool:

I'm running into devilish stuff today. Not supposed to at the new year juncture. That's what I get for watching a scary movie.

The lunar eclipse some weeks ago - with my background I do not expose myself to them. It was at night so I thought just to sleep, but lay awake and thought I wanted to explore the shadow. I don't astral travel fully in the way I think it should be, but with my mind I thought to go out. not saying it was anything more than that

Venturing through the dark wood, I met a shaman, painted black as if covered in ash. Now this guy, out at night in the eclipse, in his ancient get-up, I thought he was up to no good.

We postured at bit and then were talking some. He repeated as if giving me an incantation of sorts that seems useful but I don't trust using, though I did a little. I don't actually consider him bad or a danger to me now, I like to think of him as an associate in friendship, though wary.

I don't mean to say i think shamans in general are bad at all. I met one in the physical, a young lakota. That guy had so much passion in the spirit.

Shit I just remembered. The ghost shaman I should have given something in return. I guess I kind of did of myself like he did. But maybe I will put out some tobacco. Can a ghost shaman use tobacco? I'm not being facetious. :smile:

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27601251 - 12/31/21 02:11 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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syncro

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27601359 - 12/31/21 03:44 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm, I didn't think of him as a hungry ghost. Could be.

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27601380 - 12/31/21 04:17 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Hungry ghosts lack affection. Come visit me in Florida. You'll find your cell most disagreeable, poor food, bugs and no running water. A week with me and you will be a changed man.

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syncro

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#27601404 - 12/31/21 04:40 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Even the subway ghost shows some affection after he teaches Sam to use the telekinesis, saying, "You did it! Way to go kid."

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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church?

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#27601425 - 12/31/21 05:09 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like I have to get my tarot deck and pull a card and see what it says.

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#27601439 - 12/31/21 05:23 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, I shuffled 3 times, now we just need to know the question.

What question would you like to ask the magic deck?

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#27601483 - 12/31/21 05:51 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I've consulted the I Ching occasionally. I don't really like doing the oracle stuff. Do you have them answer a question more than once to confirm, or only once?

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