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How do I learn more about Native American Church?
    #27597585 - 12/28/21 03:29 PM (2 years, 30 days ago)

I would like to study the Native American Church and its beliefs. Is there any good books or anything I’m genuinely interested in what they believe it’s not just peyote. Although I do believe that mescaline cactus has an old school type of vibe. I’m also interested in Santo Daime church but I would like to understand the meaning behind the trip. I’m just going to a place I don’t understand I feel the need to improve my own shamanism and would like to be around a pro just to understand. I would dedicate my life to these plants without a doubt but I don’t understand the use besides recreation.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: CaptainTrips420]
    #27597628 - 12/28/21 04:04 PM (2 years, 30 days ago)

Here's a directory of their churches, maybe that can help you find a representative in your area:

https://web.archive.org/web/20050308162749/http://www.utah-nac.org/nacindex.html


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27599055 - 12/29/21 07:09 PM (2 years, 29 days ago)

Thanks I might try and contact them at some point I don’t currently have a car. I am really interested in learning there beliefs I used to attend a Unitarian Universalist church but I don’t strongly agree with any religion I have studied.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: CaptainTrips420]
    #27599322 - 12/29/21 11:39 PM (2 years, 29 days ago)

They'll probably want to hear about your Vision Quest so if you haven't done that you might want to do that first.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27599454 - 12/30/21 05:44 AM (2 years, 29 days ago)

Sometimes I just start shaking a rattle. seriously

holding out for the shaman, at least a bit, when talk was all superficial

I wish I had a rattle, it's at my ex's, a powerful tool there

I complain they talk too much, then see I'm worse in my own head


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27599476 - 12/30/21 06:34 AM (2 years, 29 days ago)

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when talk was all superficial






40 days is a bit excessive for a vision quest I think but apparently that's what Jesus did, and afterwards talking was everything.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27599495 - 12/30/21 07:05 AM (2 years, 29 days ago)

There was a time when I took words in need, world's truth paths in ways I could absorb. Then for a long time I did not read much.

Word volume can be overwhelming but also, I think, a potent practice in its time.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27599514 - 12/30/21 07:23 AM (2 years, 28 days ago)

Words may not be requisite in a machine that is sef-aware, which begs the question for whom the machine serves.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27599546 - 12/30/21 08:05 AM (2 years, 28 days ago)

Or the nature of the creator.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27599759 - 12/30/21 11:13 AM (2 years, 28 days ago)

If the creator didn't give free-will things wouldn't be such a mess.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27600934 - 12/31/21 08:29 AM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Can I fly my mountain into the eye of the needle? I suppose, if remade. This be of one mind stuff. So much seems to oppose it. I guess that is natural to power.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27601049 - 12/31/21 10:55 AM (2 years, 27 days ago)

I am unfamiliar with the theory of 'One Mind'



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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27601104 - 12/31/21 12:07 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

:cool: I'm running into devilish stuff today. Not supposed to at the new year juncture. That's what I get for watching a scary movie.

The lunar eclipse some weeks ago - with my background I do not expose myself to them. It was at night so I thought just to sleep, but lay awake and thought I wanted to explore the shadow. I don't astral travel fully in the way I think it should be, but with my mind I thought to go out. not saying it was anything more than that

Venturing through the dark wood, I met a shaman, painted black as if covered in ash. Now this guy, out at night in the eclipse, in his ancient get-up, I thought he was up to no good.

We postured at bit and then were talking some. He repeated as if giving me an incantation of sorts that seems useful but I don't trust using, though I did a little. I don't actually consider him bad or a danger to me now, I like to think of him as an associate in friendship, though wary.

I don't mean to say i think shamans in general are bad at all. I met one in the physical, a young lakota. That guy had so much passion in the spirit.

Shit I just remembered. The ghost shaman I should have given something in return. I guess I kind of did of myself like he did. But maybe I will put out some tobacco. Can a ghost shaman use tobacco? I'm not being facetious. :smile:


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27601251 - 12/31/21 02:11 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)



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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27601359 - 12/31/21 03:44 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Hmm, I didn't think of him as a hungry ghost. Could be.



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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27601380 - 12/31/21 04:17 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Hungry ghosts lack affection. Come visit me in Florida. You'll find your cell most disagreeable, poor food, bugs and no running water. A week with me and you will be a changed man.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27601404 - 12/31/21 04:40 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Even the subway ghost shows some affection after he teaches Sam to use the telekinesis, saying, "You did it! Way to go kid."


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27601425 - 12/31/21 05:09 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Looks like I have to get my tarot deck and pull a card and see what it says.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27601439 - 12/31/21 05:23 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Okay, I shuffled 3 times, now we just need to know the question.

What question would you like to ask the magic deck?


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27601483 - 12/31/21 05:51 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

I've consulted the I Ching occasionally. I don't really like doing the oracle stuff. Do you have them answer a question more than once to confirm, or only once?


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27601495 - 12/31/21 06:00 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

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Can I fly my mountain into the eye of the needle? I suppose, if remade. This be of one mind stuff. So much seems to oppose it. I guess that is natural to power.





There is a wave can surf that when catch the tube you see a mountain. Nearly the same idea there image wise.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #27601497 - 12/31/21 06:03 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

If surfers can do it, so can we.:mushroom2:


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27601500 - 12/31/21 06:07 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

syncro said:
I've consulted the I Ching occasionally. I don't really like doing the oracle stuff. Do you have them answer a question more than once to confirm, or only once?




But rather than put fate to oracles, I try to make for the wish-fulfilling tree.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27601502 - 12/31/21 06:08 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Bradford Hatcher correlates tarot with the Yijing

https://www.hermetica.info/Tarot.htm

He has extensive online resources

https://www.hermetica.info/

I'll get to the rest of your question in a bit.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #27601532 - 12/31/21 06:23 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Interesting point in time years ago. This fella Johnny came along to my tea shop. When he first approached he said of how he wants to give me this rug that he had for 13 years. It’s from Brazil where he has been going to and fro for those years to take Ayahuasca with use of friends (shamans) there.  Beautiful rug, I took home and immediately saw same vision that one would have under influence of Aya, continuous flow of breathe presenting animal spirits among every curve to detail.  Johnny wanted to give me a ayahuasca ceremony. I told him I smoke it. He doesn’t.  Also, asked Johnny go give his story to MAPS, as we in Santa Cruz and they have headquarter there, he not want to. … In addition, I weary of those who want to brush their inner voyages onto one like that. If not of my interest or question to ‘if this and if that,’ I find the trip sour.  Johnny and I never got to ceremony together. I saw he using it to make happening in area, where would you go with your lasso?  I’m not a killing type to game of hunt. He was. And it came back to him. …  One Sunday, after many weeks, months passed and one Sunday morning, Johnny came in sparkling like a disco ball, looking like a friend I’ve seen whose pipe cracked his vial of acid in his pocket where that friend rode by the fire for three days and seeing him a week later still looked as Johnny did after the Saturday night aya brew. Sunday to that Saturday, Johnny came in looking like disco ball all lit up, but as different to my broke acid vial friend, he who was light stepping bird, Johnny said, “I’ve gone too far,” and went to bathroom for moment before coming back out to leave. I thought while he in bathroom of how looks like I do after much any acid trip.  … Gone too far, lost radar of his guides induced hypnotic trance. … 

What really major bummer about these dates in history is of how an article on the Shroomery spoke of six or seven South American Aya shamans killed at gun point all near dates like bang bang bang bang bang bang. And then, following that article, these ayahuasca retreat centers begin opening up all over South America with much American advertisement.  I see how that done only doing out with some Guardians to the Galaxy, those dead shamans, for I am sure that it was needed to put those specific key holders down for sake of letting other spirit progress. And to looking at that, I don’t hold no credit to any organization trying to see of any credit to. For that credit that once was valueless other to the eye of the beholder, has now become, to us Americans just credit to one’s bank account.

And to that, Albert Hofmann sits right beside Hitler on the table of nourishment of the world war ll.

All of that to make you feel part of this whole by ways of success showing selfish greed to attention needed people using anything other than physical word to word and eye to eye, really is of great distraught among us people.  Give or take.

Also, I finding that to me self, using this shroomery in communicating such ideas really causing a discomfort if if to share of enthusiasm for Bicycle Day.

Tune in. Turn on. Drop out.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #27601551 - 12/31/21 06:33 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Thankyou for your contribution.

Will you ask a question of the magic deck?


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27601553 - 12/31/21 06:34 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

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syncro said:
I've consulted the I Ching occasionally. I don't really like doing the oracle stuff. Do you have them answer a question more than once to confirm, or only once?




But rather than put fate to oracles, I try to make for the wish-fulfilling tree.</font>




I flip coins to get hexagram yet find not to read of book.  That is crap and mind grabbing direction for no other reason than the you looking out for anything, anything fits the picture! 

Grab yarrow sticks or coins and make hexagram. Just look at abstract images building and make sense to it as do.

See I make six different three lines block. And I use the breaks and solids and thought in motion up or down as the trigrams continue doing each one. For instance, first trigram is start point to being, so if all solids, I give bold impression to moment. With flip of coins to next trigram, I a break sits onto bottom of two solid lines, I see as thought coming up into existing trigram thought, what the thought? What ever think. A break is not strength, missing bold connection. Let’s say we now throw a all broken lines trigram, then, that presented break, weakness, becomes the whole of thought, and what that thought?  That’s the one own inner conception to what happening in moment of iChing. Bullshitting yourself. To take the abstract imagery of these trigrams making hexagram of change, and putting all that mind feels to change in from one trigram to another, trying to put words just foolish, for it’s just a nick of a spark there at mind to experience and bring forth to that of all of what the eye sees while in that present moment in being. That of all around you one can speak on and on about for the depth of topic to that surrounds you is much more vast than all that shit within.

What’s the Lennon song?  I don’t believe in Buddha. Don’t believe in:..  don’t believe in…. Damn right. Keep your nose in front of all others crap, their shit stinks.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27601556 - 12/31/21 06:35 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

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Thankyou for your contribution.

Will you ask a question of the magic deck?




I like to bullshit


Ask no question. Receive no lies. Wait that the way of the Courts!! 


How can I help you?


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #27601571 - 12/31/21 06:41 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

"How can I help you?"

Great, a question, I just pick a card and trust in providence...


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #27601576 - 12/31/21 06:45 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Were the killings recent? Some family members want to go to SA for such a retreat, having little or no exposure to psychedelics. I feel a bit reluctant for them.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: syncro]
    #27601581 - 12/31/21 06:47 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

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Were the killings recent? Some family members want to go to SA for such a retreat, having no exposure to psychedelics. I feel a bit reluctant for them.





Stay at home. Those retreats are crap!

They can see their neighbor next morning and share the light.

I’ve rode on plane after ayahuasca mescaline trip and was sick as dog from the plane energy.

For real. Have them prepare for trip at home and make romantic house for use of what Germany already knows to be chemical couple therapy.

If they need any advice, shoot me a pm.


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    #27601583 - 12/31/21 06:50 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Advice.

Clean house. Have three days off.

Day one clean house and get all needed to pleasureful experience.  Food mostly. Good foods. Make bedroom clean and bring some candles. Stay inside for three days like a Jew to the Sabbath.
Day two. Dose when evening come so can see natural change to synergy to inner change. Helps to let ease slide. Or use of a pool or hot tub. The continuous waves….

Got to go.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #27601585 - 12/31/21 06:51 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

A Book mirrored own grown understanding to dosing at home. Kabbalah on the Sabbath. A smaller hand size yellow book Om, Ryan Brandes brought me.


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    #27601587 - 12/31/21 06:51 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Post your mailing address so we can send you dollars.


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    #27601606 - 12/31/21 07:11 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Coyote magic.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: CaptainTrips420]
    #27601665 - 12/31/21 07:47 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)



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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: thirtygoats]
    #27602140 - 01/01/22 08:17 AM (2 years, 26 days ago)

I always thought that prison is a state of mind. I would actually rather be in jail or prison high than sober at work or in society but I think I need to stop using dangerous downers like benzodiazepines. I heard there’s Native American ways to rid your body of the white mans toxins. Although my datura seeds pretty toxic too I think anyway.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: CaptainTrips420]
    #27602207 - 01/01/22 09:21 AM (2 years, 26 days ago)

So many bad things have happened to the Native Americans like the trail of tears and in Colorado there was the Sand Creek Massacre and in another state the Wounded Knee Massacre. It’s really messed up when you look at the history of what an invader to this country did to the original people. It’s similar to nazi stuff they just take over and don’t respect anyone. They killed the buffalo I think it’s wrong and would like to help Native Americans anyway I can. I feel in debt for what has happened. I want to watch this movie called I Will Fight No More Forever its about Native Americans but I can’t seem to find it.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: CaptainTrips420]
    #27602266 - 01/01/22 10:36 AM (2 years, 26 days ago)



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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: CaptainTrips420]
    #27602658 - 01/01/22 04:29 PM (2 years, 26 days ago)

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I always thought that prison is a state of mind. I would actually rather be in jail or prison high than sober at work or in society but I think I need to stop using dangerous downers like benzodiazepines. I heard there’s Native American ways to rid your body of the white mans toxins. Although my datura seeds pretty toxic too I think anyway.




Harmala has anti anxiety properties. Reacts as bentos do to mind. Gentler by far.


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: CaptainTrips420]
    #27602709 - 01/01/22 05:21 PM (2 years, 26 days ago)

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I want to watch this movie called I Will Fight No More Forever its about Native Americans but I can’t seem to find it.




You can watch the full movie here: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4tchf0


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Re: How do I learn more about Native American Church? [Re: MindScaper]
    #27603626 - 01/02/22 11:04 AM (2 years, 25 days ago)

Classic :thumbup:


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