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The Qualities
    #27552107 - 11/21/21 07:31 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Now and then I find ways of thinking in the dharma that are fruitful to my current situation. "Why am I less happy?" The threefold qualities give a clear answer - tamas (darkness, inertia), rajas (activity, middling), sattva (true happiness, divine purity).

Thus remembering, I look at my mental conditions and behaviors, and ask what are the associated qualities. What is sattva here? Only selfless acts, selfless love and service, or (effort to) being in the pure.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
    #27552172 - 11/21/21 08:37 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

We're just along for the ride. And the more we attach, the more we have to sorrow about. Everything is and isn't, and everything will and won't be, and eventually, all at once.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: QM33]
    #27552222 - 11/21/21 09:13 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Guild wars, making ones out of zeros. Searching for an inside track and mindful of the consequences

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27552839 - 11/21/21 06:59 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Turning in and on..

Tuning out of chaos.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: QM33]
    #27552859 - 11/21/21 07:16 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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We're just along for the ride. And the more we attach, the more we have to sorrow about. Everything is and isn't, and everything will and won't be, and eventually, all at once.

Much love to you bretha




back at you :sun:

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
    #27553536 - 11/22/21 12:05 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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syncro said:
Now and then I find ways of thinking in the dharma that are fruitful to my current situation. "Why am I less happy?" The threefold qualities give a clear answer - tamas (darkness, inertia), rajas (activity, middling), sattva (true happiness, divine purity).





Life is not about being happy. That is called Hedonism,
and it is bullshit. Yes, you should be selfless and stuff,
but you do it because it is the right thing to do. If that
makes you happy, it is merely a neat side effect, not the
reason for doing it.

If Hedonism is your path, here is the master plan: First,
gather a lot of money. Then, inject yourself as often heroin
as possible. No higher happiness than that. Your life will
be utterly wasted, you will be nothing but a drag to society,
yet you will be quite happy.

Life is not about being happy, it is about the ending of
suffering.

Edited by AnattaAtman (11/22/21 12:07 PM)

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Re: The Qualities [Re: AnattaAtman]
    #27553598 - 11/22/21 12:52 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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syncro said:
Now and then I find ways of thinking in the dharma that are fruitful to my current situation. "Why am I less happy?" The threefold qualities give a clear answer - tamas (darkness, inertia), rajas (activity, middling), sattva (true happiness, divine purity).





Life is not about being happy. That is called Hedonism,
and it is bullshit. Yes, you should be selfless and stuff,
but you do it because it is the right thing to do. If that
makes you happy, it is merely a neat side effect, not the
reason for doing it.

If Hedonism is your path, here is the master plan: First,
gather a lot of money. Then, inject yourself as often heroin
as possible. No higher happiness than that. Your life will
be utterly wasted, you will be nothing but a drag to society,
yet you will be quite happy.

Life is not about being happy, it is about the ending of
suffering.





I think it's semantical primarily. Bliss is a foundational essence in existence. Remove suffering and one couldn't help being in bliss as it is identical with pure consciousness, or emptiness.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
    #27567399 - 12/03/21 09:10 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Vexing can be over what to love, but a better question may be how to love. That love is understanding stayed with me, but better still may be love is that which frees.

In love is that which frees, it went to my third eye, a peaceful face, resting.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
    #27567474 - 12/03/21 10:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I'm contemplating love is that which frees, the bliss and power therein, and I thought, what of this force, this longing for union? What does union have to do with freedom? It is reflected in the spiritual and in nature. Even the Zen Master sings, "Where the lights of Child and Mother merge in one."

Edited by syncro (12/03/21 10:54 AM)

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
    #27570041 - 12/05/21 08:02 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Sattva is say, darshan, a true vision of the enlightened one, or deity, or some formless aspect, or tattva, the living principle.

In that moment, floating in unspeakable divine love, in jaw-dropping awe. In that moment, in the great flow of the Dao, if I ever can let go of myself, the great waves of bliss flowing in that which is ever still. The great hand of the infinite cuts the void and everything follows.

self-absence vs atman. let's fight! :smile:

What suchness is left to speak of after self-absence where the zen guys won't come swinging their sticks?

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
    #27570061 - 12/05/21 08:28 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I thought of Huang Po, and said, well, Sir, yours is a dojo, and you would want students to come and spar, no? But only soft sparring with you, master. So instead, in my mind, I got a smile and a hug.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
    #27570065 - 12/05/21 08:33 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

*bliss flowing in that which is ever still.*

Chemicals in the brain, pleasures of the flesh that the dead don't share imo

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27570141 - 12/05/21 09:48 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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*bliss flowing in that which is ever still.*

Chemicals in the brain, pleasures of the flesh that the dead don't share imo




This sounds as from an atheistic, not Buddhist or similar, perspective. ? That's fine.

If not then to me there must be something missing. This is my stubbornness in having one foot in the Hindu type yogas, and the other in love of Buddhist language, intrigued by the emptiness-not-atman distinction.

For they won't say it is nihilism, right? Emptiness, or Nirvana, is not nothing. There is something, that unspeakable suchness, and that, I would argue is not different from atman, or consciousness. But I know these words are loaded with all kinds counter. A common thing I think I can say is that which is without attributes.

Can consciousness or atman be without attributes? If there are attributes, then let's remove them. What is left? Is there something beyond bliss consciousness, or does it just become more subtle?

I don't care to be insistent, but enjoy the argument.

It reminds of the monk guy who ran, or was a moderator on the old e-sangha. Anyone remember that? He used to ban people for arguing the atman vs non-self stuff. rofl. I don't mean disrespect, but it tickles.

Edited by syncro (12/05/21 09:55 AM)

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
    #27570171 - 12/05/21 10:09 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

From my perspective the accomplished are still around us in the flesh building more intricate designs and systems born out of knowledge. Therefore where would they live that you may serve and share their beneficence?...in the centers of design and intricacy.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27570212 - 12/05/21 10:46 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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From my perspective the accomplished are still around us in the flesh building more intricate designs and systems born out of knowledge. Therefore where would they live that you may serve and share their beneficence?...in the centers of design and intricacy.




For my clarity, are you defending the brain and the material, the Ai, tech?

I may not be addressing your thing, but does the subtle abandon the gross, or is it above it in manifestation and law? 

Some have said don't rush too quickly to the sun, as if it is not inclusive, as if it does not bring all things to fruition, as if one would be missing something needed. No, it is to finally be in satiation with that which is missing. As if love and war are not reconciled. No, I will reconcile in the light of a thousand suns.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
    #27570260 - 12/05/21 11:30 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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For my clarity, are you defending the brain and the material, the Ai, tech?





Yes; as a novelty the human race can survive if dispersed throughout the Galaxy. To achieve that the Earth can be treated as an asteroid to be mined and abandoned.

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I may not be addressing your thing, but does the subtle abandon the gross, or is it above it in manifestation and law? 





The terminology, subtle, gross, law can be manifestations of ego with the subtle seeking to be above the gross when in fact the gross can harbor and manifest greater intellect. Novelty as an enjoyable product may then be observed in situations unregulated by ego standards of gross, subtle and law, such as the forum OTD.

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Some have said don't rush too quickly to the sun, as if it is not inclusive...I will reconcile in the light of a thousand suns.




Okay, OTD forum is famously unwelcoming but the subtle exists for the seeker who can step aside from their ego and in this example it may be seen that the subtle is harbored in the gross.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27570296 - 12/05/21 12:17 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

There are those of great intellect who yet lack understanding. Intellect as such can be a double edged sword.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
    #27570305 - 12/05/21 12:25 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Intellect used for the good of humanity cuts one way; intellect used for the good of oneself cuts the other way.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #27570311 - 12/05/21 12:33 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Not at all. Intellect used for self-refinement, improvement, is practically a prerequisite for the good of humanity.

This can be argued but I wonder if those beings never seen, somewhere in profound meditation do not benefit most of all. Not that one should not be out hugging the masses if it's in their strength and desire.

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Re: The Qualities [Re: syncro]
    #27570318 - 12/05/21 12:43 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Well, thank you for the duel and perhaps the seeds of the sower will bear fruit.

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