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Re: HPBCD complexed DMT made bioavailable sublingually under tongue, also improves oral bioavailability for pharmahuasca & Ay... [Re: tregar] * 1
    #27320774 - 05/24/21 05:49 AM (25 days, 8 hours ago)

Full journey trip report:

Keep in mind using DMT salts sublingually does not work, and the sting is terrible just like you mention Fog. The HPBCD complexed DMT works extremely well, the outer water soluble sugary like tasting HPBCD keeps the freebase DMT trapped inside it's non-polar cone, so as the complex sits under the tongue for 15 minutes...

...you only feel a mild sting for around 10 minutes as the HPBCD releases the DMT directly into the bloodstream from the mucosa membrane under the tongue (only 100 microns thick) as the freebase, only as the freebase will it reach from the bloodstream to the brain with maximum effects. I don't have all the answers, I only know it works extremely well. The tongue is completely fine after, and it's as if nothing happened the next day, 100% no scarring or burning, totally normal.

Be sure to press down with tongue the whole time to trap the sticky complex in the sublingual mucosa.

Give this a try...follow 2 step instructions, 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD with 2 minutes mashing on a spoon with 10 drops very hot water and poured under tongue, use your finger to rub any liquid from the spoon under your tongue as well, in case any is left...and hold for 15 minutes, begins to work in only 10 minutes...at the end of the 15 minutes, I spit out any saliva that's collected in mouth into a cup instead of swallowing, for me this has been less than 1/4oz or around less than 15ml saliva.

...and is VERY STRONG...I experienced 90 minutes of very strong effects, pupil dilation maxed out, heavy CEV imagery, open eyed beauty profound, music sounds incredible...feels identical to if I had taken 60mg DMT complexed to HPBCD orally with 200mg harmine with 300mg THH, of course I always take 300mg THH orally any time I do this using the sublingual DMT.

I recommend not using more than 250mg of THH if it is your first time. 250mg of THH causes zero dizziness and ZERO nausea, but 300mg will cause a tiny bit of dizziness for a short time if you are not used to it. I am used to it, so I get no dizziness at 300mg.

The effects were so INCREDIBLE, I RE-DOSED 60mg of DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD x two more times the same night, every 2 hours...it was the bomb...I was in 7th heaven...:smile:

...never before have I had such insane visuals all night long...all the way till 5am in the morning I was seeing closed eye visions of slow and high speed movies...I saw brightly colored serpents, dungeons I traveled thru, many Mesoamerican pyramids, women of incredible beauty, Japanese landscapes, dancing geometrics, many different animals on a rotating globe, walking on the planet-like globe as it spun, hundreds of visions like slow and high-speed movies over the course of many hours.

I saw the interiors of many magnificent homes, exposed like a camera flash went off, then off to the next home interior, bizarre alien looking creatures, I saw ancient ruins but they were seen as they were before they fell apart. All sorts of architectural wonders appeared that I could not make out exactly what time period they were from.

All the visions were enchanting & manifested incredible beauty. The multi-colored beautiful serpents kept appearing several times in different forms, as if they have some prominence to do with it all, two of them had shining skin covered in gold scales and intertwined like DNA, reminds me of the Aztec quetzalcoatl myth, the "serpent of precious feathers."

...all of these visions were brightly colored due to the DMT and THH combo all night long..it was one of the most powerful psychedelic experiences of my life...and I've taken Ayahuasca x 70 times, cactus 200 times, etc...I have never had over 5 hours of non-stop CEV visions anything close to what I saw the other night...I was blown away, and will be thinking about this for a very long time...this sublingual DMT along with 300mg THH taken orally 1 hour before is my absolute favorite...there is no nausea...I wore headphones and listened to music the whole time, as the music sounded just like if I had taken a very strong cactus tea...out of this world good...I had non-stop closed eye visions all night long, insane visions...totally blown away.

I love the "oral 250 to 300mg THH + sublingual 420mg HPBCD complexed to 60mg DMT administration" as there is a complete lack of "queasiness feeling during the journey", perhaps because there is no harmine/DMT going thru the stomach & intestines...I don't know the answer for sure, but I like it.

Remember, I took 300mg of THH once early on, then every 2 hours I took 60mg of DMT complexed to 420mg of HPBCD sticky liquid under my tongue for 15 minutes held...so I took it x 3 times...

one of the most visionary entheogenic experiences of my life. :shocked:

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    Shroombee said:
   
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Results of THH plus sublingual HPBCD+DMT trial::thumbup: It works!




    See part 10 of paper: how tetrahydroharmine is made:
    https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96861

    Just a few tips before I depart for the summer to the weight room and waterpark:

    1. Take 250 to 300mg of THH or tetrahydroharmine around 45 minutes to 1 hour before, as the combo of THH + DMT simulates true Ayahuasca, THH is the 2nd highest ingredient in Caapi. THH is not an maoi, it is an SRI or serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Mescaline, ibogaine, LSD, shrooms all inhibit serotonin as well, this serotonin blocking action results in expanded consciousness in combo with the DMT as borders and walls are broken down in the mind as a result.

    I have seen the receptorome data for THH, it is very similar to mescaline, as THH not only blocks serotonin like mescaline, but agonizes all 3 adrenal receptors just like mescaline (A2A-A2C), these receptors are implicated in not only visionary but feelings associated with aesthetics and beauty.

    Using this oral THH + sublingual DMT results in ZERO nausea, ZERO dizziness, ZERO feelings of queasiness as there is no oral harmine/DMT going thru the stomach & intestines.

    Just like Professor8 said back in 2010, she, the feminine "THH has the ability to raise your vibration or whole-body frequency (this is really felt strongly) in a most powerful way. She brings a diamond-like crystalline prismy texture & super clear watery dimension to Ayahuasca, like looking down through 10 meters of shimmering Caribbean Sea on clear blue day. She brings a dimension of pure light to the entheogenic experience and encourages entities & intelligences of only the Highest Order."

    2. Sublingual DMT salts do not work, and the sting is terrible. Using this method, the sting is mild to a little moderate, the outer water soluble sugary tasting HPBCD helps with this as it traps the non-polar dmt freebase inside it's tornado cone, as it releases the freebase directly into the bloodstream from the sublingual mucosa, only this way do you get max effects, as the freebase travels from the bloodstream directly to the brain.

    3. I found that using the bottom of my tongue to "lick any leftover liquid sticky complex" off the spoon will grab any rest of it once you have poured it off from spoon to under the tongue. I get it all this way. I simply press the spoon against the bottom tip of my tongue to grab any leftover from the spoon.

    4. The liquid sticky like complex should have all dissolved, there is none leftover when I do this after 15 minutes, be sure to press down with bottom of tongue the whole time to trap the sticky liquid complex in the sublingual mucosa under the tongue.

    5. Don't swish your mouth out with anything, just spit out any saliva into a cup from your mouth after 15 minutes, then just sit there as you experience the trip for the next 90 minutes, go brush your teeth if you want way later...it does not hurt the tongue, feels completely fine after it's dissolved. It's even good for dental health imho as it kills any bacteria. But your teeth should be just fine, as we are trapping it in the sublingual mucosa under the tongue.

    6. 60mg is very powerful...I redosed every 2 hours, this was indeed a level 4 on the Shulgin scale for me combined with 300mg THH taken orally 1 hour before the whole journey, has a half-life of 10.5 hours, so 5 hours of strong activity combined with re-dosing 60mg sublingual DMT every 2 hours = incredibly bad ass, I had 5 hours of brightly colored CEV visions as described above...most powerful CEV visionary experience of my life.

    I love it even more than strong cactus tea cause it's dirt cheap to experience a level 4 trip now, and no different than strong cactus tea as open eyed beauty is profound, music sounds INCREDIBLE for 5 hours, and heavy CEV visions for hours on end.

    7. This past Friday on 5/21/21, I again took 300mg THH one hour before then used 80mg sublingual DMT complexed this time to 560mg HPBCD, mashed with 10 boiling hot water drops for 2 minutes on a spoon, then held complex under tongue for 15 minutes and experienced open eye visuals this time...the walls filled with colored geometrics, this was my 2nd high dose trial, when I took this again sublingually, but used 80mg instead of 60mg. Again, I had high-powered CEV's as well. I have become adept at using this stuff sublingually now. I had none to re-dose as I ran out of DMT, disappointed, have to extract some more, but at least I got 90 minutes out of it: very strong journey. I am now taking a 2 week break before I take it again.

    8. Try adding another 100mg of HPBCD to your complex, as the 2-Hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin has a higher molecular weight (1500 g/mol) than my plain HPBCD (1300 g/mol), molecular weight of DMT = 188 g/mol...you want to use a 1:1 molar ratio.

    This will help trap more of the DMT, and lower the mild sting threshold even more. Use a 1:8 mg weight ratio of DMT to HPBCD instead of 1:7 mg weight ratio in other words. This means using 60mg DMT to 480mg HPBCD with 10 drops near boiling hot water from a coffee mug all mashed together on a spoon for 2 minutes, then pour under tongue.   


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Re: HPBCD complexed DMT made bioavailable sublingually under tongue, also improves oral bioavailability for pharmahuasca & Ay... [Re: tregar]
    #27323554 - 05/26/21 09:26 AM (23 days, 4 hours ago)

For the HPBCD DMT experiments, extracted DMT as described below:

1) A procedure (based on Noman's or Norman's tek) which yields 1.5g DMT from 150 gram powdered bark: all 4 pulls are using 90ml naptha on 150g powdered bark mixed into 1.8 liter lye water (1.5 x 150g bark = use 225g lye dissolved into the 1.8 liter 150 degree hot water.) Just heat up 1.8 liter of water in a big pyrex pot on stove and use thermometer to pull if off when it reads 150 degree F.

Slowly sprinkle lye using safety goggles and long chemical resistant gloves that go up each arm, and stand back as far as possible...(the hot water will fizz but not boil up) into your pyrex pot of hot water. After each sprinkle, stir the water a bit with a super long metal spoon. It will "growl" a bit as it fizzes, but this way it dissolves very fast into already hot water.

Pour this lye water into your 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask using a large automotive funnel. Add 150 grams of finely powdered bark, and use a long chopstick or similar to mix it all together.

Use (.6 x 150g bark = 90ml naptha pull for each of the 4 pulls). An erlenmeyer flask makes it easy to do pulls using a long glass pipette, as the top of flask is tapered, so all the naptha collects at the top for easy pull.

Use an electronic thermometer to check the temp of the Lye water bark mix, when the lye water cools down from 150 degree F to around 120 degree F, then it's time to add your 90ml of naptha, make sure your 2L flask is sitting on a mitten or similar...this makes it easy to swirl your flask to mix the contents, make sure you are using the proper rubber stopper number to seal the top of your flask once you turn it upside down then right side up to mix the contents as well.

Prefer to do a combination of swirling and a couple of upside down then right side up turns of the 2L flask, then once right side up, let the rubber stopper out, and let the stopper just barely sit in the flask (not tight), so gasses can exit. After 1/2 hour, all the 90ml of naptha will migrate & collect at the top of the tapered erlenmeyer flask...use your long glass pipette to collect the naptha, that's it! very easy, no mess, and the tapered erlenmeyer flask and glass pipette with round rubber plunger at the end makes it easy to collect the naptha at the top without collecting any lye water by accident. This is the way a chemist can do it.

No need to do a sodium carbonate clean on it, it's plenty clean already.

My procedure:
1) place 60mg of DMT onto a spoon
2) add 1:1 molar ratio of host drug to HPBCD powder, this means 1:7 mg ratio DMT to HPBCD, use a 1:8 mg ratio DMT to HPBCD if you are using the 2-Hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin.
3) this means 60mg dmt placed on spoon, then add 420mg of HPBCD on top DMT, use 480mg HPBCD if you are using the 2-Hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin.
4) add 10 to 12 drops of very hot near boiling water to the mix from a coffee mug
5) Knead or crush the HPBCD powder into the dmt using the end of a spoon for 2 minutes
6) Take 200 to 300mg tetrahydroharmine orally around 45 minutes before. Then place sticky HPBCD DMT glob (HPBCD powder forms sticky complexes) under tongue for 15 minutes, press down with bottom of tongue the whole time to trap sticky liquid complex in the sublingual mucosa. Be sure to use bottom end of tongue to lick any off spoon that is left behind, you want to get it all.

At end of 15 minutes, spit out any saliva into a cup instead of swallowing. The combination of THH + DMT simulates true Ayahuaasca, but there is zero nausea, zero dizziness, zero queasiness since there is no harmine or DMT going thru stomach and intestines. 10 minutes in there are heavy CEV's of spinning colored geometrics, visions of ancient architecture, animals, aliens, you name it, it seems to tap into the Akashic record of the ether in the Universe, where all past, present, and future is known. Open eyed profound beauty, music sounds incredible, this all lasts for 90 minutes. You can redose more HPBCD DMT by two more times, around every 2 hours if you want.

The sticky HPBCD DMT glob looks similar to the cartoon below.

Erlenmeyer flask tapers towards the top, makes extractions easier using a glass pipette, as all the naptha collects in a narrow band tapered area near the top.



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    #27324749 - 05/27/21 08:54 AM (22 days, 5 hours ago)

Update 5-27-2021 p.s. I had an experience last night that blew my mind again for 90 minutes, took 300mg THH 45 minutes orally before as usual...then used 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD all mashed together real hard on a spoon for 2 minutes using 11 drops near boiling hot water from a coffee mug. I used the end of another spoon to mash it all together. My new improved method is grab all the liquid complex off the spoon using only the bottom of my tongue to grab it all, as it will all come off spoon and "stick to bottom of tongue". So easy and quick and efficient.

I held it sublingual "under tongue", and the walls filled with geometric patterns, and I saw waves of neon splashes of color wash across the room, it was AMAZING, I was tripping so hard...level 5 again on Shulgin scale, I LOVE this stuff...it's worth the initial sting for 15 minutes, then the sting subsides over the next 10 minutes to nothing. I spit out any saliva at end of 15 minutes, but don't rinse out mouth with anything (any residual amount will keep on absorbing), the sting and numbness is gone 10 minutes later...love this more than strong cactus tea, as it is dirt cheap to experience a level 5 trip now. :smile:



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Re: HPBCD complexed DMT made bioavailable sublingually under tongue, also improves oral bioavailability for pharmahuasca & Ay... [Re: tregar]
    #27325605 - 05/27/21 08:30 PM (21 days, 17 hours ago)

Hey Tregar.

Sounds like you are onto something! Im thoroughly enjoying this thread.

I'm really considering this route for a first DMT experience, but I don't have access to THH or Harmalas.



So would you recommend 60mg  - without - thh... or a different dose?


I know it's not your preference, but you're the only guy to ask! (my goto is 3.5g home grown cubes).

Thanks!:mushroom2:


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    #27328816 - 05/30/21 06:40 AM (19 days, 7 hours ago)
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RoadAppleSnapple, thanks and use 60mg dmt if it's your first time.

However, doing this without THH would be like going to a waterpark without the women and bikini's :smile:

In the 7 times I have used this sublingually, only twice did I produce more than my normal low amount of less than 10 to 15ml saliva, but it still did not bother me, but I was happy to spit it out at 15 minutes. :smile: I have noticed on subsequent re-doses during the night, that there is even less saliva and sting as the mouth/tongue gets used to it.

See page 3, post #27305992

On wed night 5/26/2021, I had an experience that blew my mind again for 90 minutes, took 300mg THH 45 minutes orally before as usual...then used 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD all mashed together real hard on a spoon for 2 minutes using 11 drops near boiling hot water from a coffee mug. I used the end of another spoon to mash it all together. My new improved method is grab all the liquid complex off the spoon using only the bottom of my tongue to grab it all, as it will all come off spoon and "stick to bottom of tongue". So easy and quick and efficient.

I held it sublingual "under tongue", and around 12 minutes in, the walls filled with geometric patterns, and I saw waves of neon splashes of color wash across the room, it was AMAZING, I was tripping so hard...level 5 again on Shulgin scale, I LOVE this stuff...it's worth the initial sting for 15 minutes, then the sting subsides over the next 10 minutes to nothing. I spit out any saliva at end of 15 minutes, but don't rinse out mouth with anything (any residual amount will keep on absorbing), the sting and numbness is gone 10 minutes later...love this more than strong cactus tea, as it is dirt cheap to experience a level 5 trip now. :smile:

Don't forget if you don't like the sublingual method, you can always use this stuff orally, as it performs many factors better than DMT freebase or DMT salts used orally, See my trip report page 3, post #27305992 . Example: HPBCD improves oral absorption profile for Ofloxacin, a second generation fluroquinolones by 54 to 89 percent. But I love the sublingual method personally.

Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115 "Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron."

I still can't get over the visuals on wed night: I saw entire waves of neon color that extended from bottom of floor to top of ceiling wash all the way from the right of the room to the left of the room, like a laser scanner, there were fine "ripples" in the waves...these waves were broadcast onto the walls, replacing the fine geometrics already seen on the walls...the neon colors were out of this world impossible: neon red-greens, neon orange-blues, neon purple-yellows.

The euphoria and open-eyed beauty was over the top for a full 90 minutes. The music being played over the 3.5 foot high infinity speakers I've had for so many years sounded incredibly good, like being an alien experiencing sound & music for the very first time.

I had so much fun, I re-dosed again with a lower 60mg around every 2 hours. ZERO nausea, ZERO dizziness, ZERO queasiness feelings. AND IT STILL KEPT WORKING BAD ASS. I work some weekends, so that's why I took it Wed night, as I have random 2 days off in a row midweek some weeks. As a weightlifter, I'm used to experiencing "the burn" in the muscles when lifting, so to me the sting under the tongue is tolerable, does not bother me, for some others, they will want to experience this orally using harmine and thh taken at same time mixed with the HPBCD DMT (which turns 100% clear when it hits the hot water) all together in a 2oz hot water tea, just like I did on page 3, post #27305992.



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    #27330099 - 05/31/21 10:27 AM (18 days, 3 hours ago)

This is the story of how this came about: the plants taught this to me. I did not discover it. I have taken Ayahuasca over 70 times and cactus tea x 200 times. Ayahuasca seems to want to propagate herself all over the globe by any means possible, and if that means using the latest pharmacology advancements such as HPBCD, then so be it. The planet is in crisis, and Ayahuasca wants to help reverse the insane rapid destruction.

Daniel Pinchbeck "How Soon is Now":
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The human race is careening toward extinction: rising acidity of the oceans threatens coral reefs, habitat destruction, non-native species (predatory fish, bullfrogs, fungus, pathogens), climate change (alters temperature and water levels), pollution and diseases (especially chytridiomycosis, caused from the chytrid fungus) all have been shown to contribute to worldwide amphibian declines.

We clear forest that are full of trees even though we continue to pump CO2 into the air even though we know it's heating up the ozone and melting ice caps; we clear forests that are full of trees that could potentially help clean that co2 out of the air, the Amazon rainforest is the lungs of the planet, but miles of it are slashed & burned every week so that cattle can graize there instead to make hamburgers, and massive soybean cultivation. We throw away plastic water bottles, and worst of all, we feed into the corporate systems that keep this destruction going.



I don't know about you, but I don't use soybeans for anything, don't eat hamburger or steaks, only fish, chicken & turkey daily, as a bodybuilder this keeps me lean daily.

On my 70th Ayahuasca journey using the very last of my stored away Hawaiian psychotria, she showed me a vision of my "lost 1kg container of HPBCD". I had put it away 12 years ago, as I bought it from a sports supplement supplier, once pro-hormones became illegal, I carelessly abandoned the container in a place I could care less about, see pic on post #1.

Ayahuasca has a long standing traditional reputation of helping people find lost personal items like rings, necklaces, etc. through visions. She once helped me find a set of important spoons that I had misplaced many years ago as well. She showed me they were buried in a drawer under forgotten clothes many years old. I once saw a vision of a beautiful woman in medieval times searching for a lost ring in her home, Ayahuasca showed me that it was at the very top of a cubbard in her kitchen.

All that time the HPBCD container was lost, she showed me that it was in my garage buried in a container along with plumbing parts. That night I dug it out of the container and put it in my closet for use the next day. She also showed me a vision of the mimosa tree or shrub, I put 2 and 2 together, and knew what she was telling me...to experiment with HPBCD complexed DMT, and so that is what I did. She already knew that I had experience making sublingual HPBCD pro-hormones, as I had learned it from chemist Patrick Arnold.

I had run out of Hawaiian psychotria, and it had been extinct for the past 3 years, perhaps diverted to all the numerous Ayahuasca centers in South America. I needed a high power alternative.

Daniel Pinchbeck "Breaking Open the Head" (Daniel also states in his book, that Ayahuasca is his favorite entheogen):
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For many people, Ayahuasca-a slowed-down low-res interface of the DMT flash-seems to convey strong messages from the natural world, of nature as sentient energy and spirit matter, of the need to protect the planet we have been given.

Yage whispers that human beings are meant to be gardeners of this reality, journeyers, storytellers and singers, weavers of the sacred. DMT, on the other hand, conveys no overt human or humane message.




Graham Hancock, "Supernatural", pg 428:
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My experience with smoked DMT was qualitatively different from the realms and beings Ayahuasca introduced me to. For whereas the Ayahuasca worlds seemed rich, luxurious, and abundant in the transformations of organic and supernatural life, DMT brought me to a world--or to some aspect of a world--that appeared from the outset to be highly artificial, constructed, inorganic, and in essence technological.




A little bit about me...

Becoming a shaman is often just as much of a curse as it is a blessing. Shamans are chosen by the Spirits at birth, but it is not until later in life (usually in their 20’s) that the shaman is struck down. The striking down of a shaman is to dismember them as a person and to have them reborn into something else.

I am not a shaman, but have been thru alot of the near-death experiences Shaman's have gone thru, lost both my twin girls at birth, so have no children, my beloved pet Shitzu died at only age 4 from continuous bladder stones for 6 months, we did everything together...he was unable to pee so many times, we had to rush him to vet, where he was put down. He visited both of us in a dream 2 days later to tell us he was doing great in Heaven with a big smile on his face.

Have nearly died several times, once was hit head on by a truck when driver ran a yield sign, barely survived with numerous injuries. The hospital caught all my fractured ribs but did not diagnose my collapsed lung, so when I got home, drifted into shock in the middle of the night, wife called an ambulance and was rushed to a better hospital where they immediately diagnosed the lung condition and treated me for it.

Once took alot of acacia bark with Ayahuasca instead of the normal Hawaiian psychotria I use, and went into a serious serotonin syndrome shock, for an hour and a half I sweated my ass off sitting in the bathtub, I told my wife goodbye while my dog watched in a sad state...by some miracle pulled out of it, believe it was the high levels of maoi's in the acacia that interacted with the rima's in the Ayahuasca, bad combination. My forehead was pouring sweat for 1.5 hours, was in severe shock and trembling, and knew I was gonna die.

Lost everything in a 100 year severe flood, my home and all my belongings, had just gotten married to my beautiful wife and all the newlywed gifts perished...right after that we moved to an apartment complex, and 5 months later all our belongings again perished as they burnt to the ground after a disgruntled teen threw a lit blunt into the apartment complex after his girlfriend dumped him.

Had it not been for the policeman banging on the door of the apartment, we would have surely burned in the flames, as we were on the 3rd floor & asleep as I worked 2nd shift at the time. We ran down the steps in only our bare feet and suffered smoke inhalation.

Have been thru some near-death experiences similar to a Shaman, who lives on the outskirts of society. Lifting weights, walking in nature with my dog, going to the waterpark with a season pass every summer, and reading Bible all keep my spirits up.

Some of you have contacted me via messenger to let me know that you would like to experience this for other reasons than the visions, to help with treating depression. I will tell you this, yes, Ayahuasca can help to cure not only anger issues, melancholy, drug abuse & addictions, but also depression. She is also able to grow brand new neurons in the brain every time a journey is taken, she has cured people of all sorts of afflictions and ailments, even severe depression. I feel an afterglow for a couple days after a journey, and this refreshed serotonin reset often lasts for a couple weeks.

Celebrities who have battled major depression: Dwayne Johnson "the Rock", Katy Perry, Jon Hamm, Lady Gaga, Michael Phelps, Kristen Bell, Bruce Springsteen, Gwyneth Paltrow, Ashley Judd, Naomi Judd, Ryan Phillippe, J.K. Rowling, Sheryl Crow, Terry Bradshaw, Buzz Aldrin, Tipper Gore, Wayne Brady, Jim Carrey, Robin Williams, Brittany Murphy.
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A little bit more on tetrahydroharmine:

1) She has very strong serotonin blocking action, which results not only in stimulation but powerful transcendence as the daily survival filters are lifted so that "mind at large" as coined by Aldous Huxley can be let loose, when combined with DMT, which does not block serotonin on it's own, you then get the "full monty" mind expansion powerful transcendence. See end of post #41 for journey reports of 300mg THH on it's own. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline as noted by not only myself, but another person here. I have seen the receptorome data for THH, which not only blocks serotonin like mescaline, but agonizes all 3 of the adrenal receptors just like mescaline which are associated with powerful visionary activity, perception of beauty and aesthetics.

2) Yes, she is feminine, which is why I always associate feminine pictures and energy with my journey trip reports that involve her. Queen of the Forest is what I like to call her.

3) She seems to be very stable indefinitely. I've used THH that was many years old that I had lost, still worked exactly the same. Wikipedia to find out more about it (good page on it), or read attached paper two posts up attached. Even Shulgin remarks in the book TIHKAL that "studies on THH are absolutely imperative." He also remarked that it probably holds one of the keys to unlocking Ayahuasca, but we just didn't know it yet.

4) Please just take tetrahydroharmine orally between 150 to 300mg. She causes no dizziness at 250mg or below, and only a tiny bit at 300mg, but once you are used to her, no dizziness even at 300mg. ZERO nausea, ZERO queasiness, so just consume THH orally at a powerful amount found in normal Ayahuasca brew which if you read attached paper two posts up is at least 150mg.

Many take multiple cups of Ayahuasca, so the THH is additive in effect, with a half life of 10.5 hours, so you get 5 hours of super strong effects, once you reach 300mg, the powerful CEV visions are seen for hours on end, phenomenal, them combine with DMT and the visions multiply and become colored and even brighter, as THH visions alone are monochrome (one-color) usually in green or blue. The DMT adds color and brightness to the visions, and adds to them exponentially.

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    #27331131 - 06/01/21 08:44 AM (17 days, 5 hours ago)

I plan on having another neon-colorful open eyed trip like 2 posts up next weekend, so I'm not only taking 250mg THH with me for oral use 45 minutes before, but I pre-made a HPBCD DMT tincture to take with me when I go to the beach for 4 days next week. I'm cheaply renting a house with pool a few blocks down from the beach as we pooled our funds together with another couple we know. The tincture will stay good in fridge for several days, but after several days it needs to be stored in a freezer so bacteria does not grow.

Each 0.5ml on the graduated pipette (10 drops) = 60mg HPBCD DMT (60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD in 10 drops near boiling hot water from a nearby coffee mug)

Note: add 1:1 molar ratio of host drug to HPBCD powder, this means 1:7 mg ratio DMT to HPBCD, use a 1:8 mg ratio DMT to HPBCD if you are using the 2-Hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin. This means 60mg dmt placed on spoon, then add 420mg of HPBCD on top DMT, use 480mg HPBCD if you are using the 2-Hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin.

I dunk the tincture bottle in a coffee mug of near boiling hot water to warm it up again before use after pulling from fridge or freezer. Each drop = 6mg DMT complexed to 42mg HPBCD.

HPBCD is itself very soluble in water (greater than 1000 mg/ml at room temperature). This increases with VERY HOT near boiling water. So now you see how I used in earlier trip 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD in 10 to 12 drops for sublingual use. 1ml = 20 drops, 0.5ml = 10 drops, therefore each drop of water can hold 50mg HPBCD at room temp, or twice that 100mg HPBCD in very hot water.





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    #27334599 - 06/04/21 02:33 AM (14 days, 11 hours ago)

Thread continued here with additional trip reports, even up to 90mg dmt, see page 4:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96861&p=3


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    #27336029 - 06/05/21 08:57 AM (13 days, 5 hours ago)

I'm just going to take the stuff sublingual at the beach house, then walk is only 5 minutes or so, so by the time I get to end of pier it should be working.

I just took when I got home from waterpark this afternoon: 250mg THH taken 45 minutes before, then 90mg DMT complexed to 630mg HPBCD with 12 drops of VERY HOT water, mashed all together for 2 minutes on spoon, then used bottom of tongue to grab it all from spoon, held in the sublingual mucosa (pressed down hard) for 15 minutes, spit out saliva, continued to hold any residue for next 10 minutes...it blew my mind! For 1.5 hour I saw neon colors wash across all the walls, geometrics on the furniture and floors, music beyond incredible sounding, infinite open eyed beauty, tripped so hard, love the stuff! The tryptamine rush was felt very strongly, awesome body frequency vibration.

From attached paper on post #57: Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: "Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron."



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    #27336354 - 06/05/21 03:42 PM (12 days, 22 hours ago)

Anytime I do this, I always take antioxidants: 300mg +R-ALA, 1000mg vitamin C, vitamin E. I also take 6 to 8 caps of fish oil daily and 1 cup of 3 berry blend in my protein shake, super antioxidant power and the fish oil keeps depression far, far away...fabulous good mood with fish oil and sunlight daily.

I highly suggest using these 5.5 x 7.5 inch pyrex dishes that come with covers found at *almart, simply pour each of your 90ml naptha pulls into each of 4 dishes, stack them in the freezer, 8 hours later, pour off naptha thru a coffee filter secured to a wide one-half pint jar to collect any xtals floating in the ice cold naptha, and simply scrape up all the xtals from your square pyrex once it is bone dry.

Super easy instructions here on post #50: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96861&p=3 for 1.5g DMT from 150g bark all in one day using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask and long glass pipette with rubber stopper on end for the pulls.

1st pull = 1200mg, 2nd pull = 200mg, 3rd pull = 100mg, 4rth pull = 50mg, done this x 3 times, each time yield always at or better than 1.5g. Most (95%) of the crystals are all stuck to the bottom of shallow dish each time, very nice!



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    #27338026 - 06/06/21 10:25 PM (11 days, 15 hours ago)
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The effects with the sublingual route are the exact same as if the DMT had been taken orally with harmine & THH, you get a full 90 strong minutes out of it with long afterglow, and yes, the THH does indeed extend the half-life of the DMT just as Dennis Mckenna PH.D. states in attached paper. I also enjoy the sting, reminds me of the burn when I lift weights, been a bodybuilder since my early 20's. The sting does not bother me at all, cause I know I'm gonna trip super hard for the next 1.5 hour, it's so worth it. Just like building muscle, no pain no gain.

Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115 "Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron."

60mg is a great dose once you have experience, a 3.5 on the Shulgin strength scale. You can always take this orally with 200mg harmine and 150mg THH if you can't tolerate the sublingual sting.

Update: 6-6-21

Yesterday on Saturday night, I first took 300mg THH 45 minutes before, then I took 110mg DMT complexed to 770mg HPBCD in 12 drops very hot water with 2 minutes mashing and kneading....then used bottom of tongue to grab it all from spoon, held in the sublingual mucosa (pressed down hard) for 15 minutes, spit out saliva, continued to hold any residue for next 10 minutes.

I tripped my ass off...I was so out there, the beauty all around was profound and infinite, sparkles and colored streamers floated and darted about in the air like fireworks, neon colors filled the walls in purples and yellows and red/greens...the music was so incredible sounding...intricate geometrics again filled the walls in between neon washes of colors, which took turns fading back and forth between the two.

I re-dosed 110mg more DMT complexed to 770mg HPBCD again every 2 hours for a total of 3 times the whole night....it was one of the most intense psychedelic experiences of my life....it was the bomb, I so loved it....I watched movies and was mesmerized by the beauty of the on-screen actresses and scenery...like I was on another planet...the euphoria and spiritual joy was intense. I had to raise my normal dosage of 80mg dmt to 110mg as I had slight tolerance from using it earlier in the week, but it still worked VERY strongly once I increased the dose.

What I do now whenever I take this...I pre-prepare 3 steel tablespoons, each taken off a key ring measuring spoon set, full of DMT complexed to HPBCD ahead of time...and place a foil cover over each tablespoon on the desk...so that I can take more every 1.5 to 2 hours in order to trip non-stop all night without having to stop to make more throughout the evening.

I am heading for beach soon, so will be gone for some time, enjoy and please keep reporting.

The table below shows the subjective effects on a Shulgin level 1 to 5 of DMT dose which applies to either:

(1) DMT complexed to HPBCD used orally with harmine/THH all taken together at exact same time mixed into a 2oz hot water tea, use 150mg crushed vitamin C to mix the harmalas into the hot water should they be in freebase form, the HPBCD DMT turns 100% clear when it hits the hot water, or...

(2) DMT complexed to HPBCD used sublingually with THH taken orally 45 minutes earlier...exact same strength either way.





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    #27338392 - 06/07/21 05:04 AM (11 days, 9 hours ago)

what about with zero thh? still work? or is it likely some maoi action is happening :wink:


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    #27338398 - 06/07/21 05:15 AM (11 days, 8 hours ago)

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what about with zero thh? still work? or is it likely some maoi action is happening :wink:



Hello again the man, nice to see you!. The THH is not an maoi, it is an SRI, the music will only sound bad ass if you include it, and it doubles the half-life of the DMT, it brightens the visuals, adds euphoria & stimulation, adds visions, and it adds very transcendent activity to the journey, it is the 2nd highest ingredient in Ayahuasca, very important, omitting it would be like going to a waterpark without the women and bikini's. :smile:


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    #27340557 - 06/08/21 07:54 PM (9 days, 18 hours ago)

When using oral DMT or sublingual DMT, you will need to use higher doses than "vaped dmt". For example, I have done Ayahuasca 70 times using 30 to 40g of Hawaiian psychotria with Caapi each time. 30g Hawaiian psychotria contains approximately 60mg of DMT, 40g contains around 80mg DMT. This is where the real Journey's kick ass, at 30g leaf or 60mg DMT.

I would not experiment with alcoholic tinctures, etc. until you have the simple 2 minute kneading/crushing method down using a spoon and 10 to 12 drops of water...this is the same way scientist made the oral Ofloxacin, a second generation fluroquinolones more orally bioavailable by 54 to 89 percent, using kneading and crushing of HPBCD to the host drug, see study on post #15. Same way chemist Patrick Arnold taught how to prepare sublingual HPBCD pro-hormones back in the bodybuilding deja news user groups back in the day, which was bought out later by google groups.

The sublingual journey begins in only 1/2 the time of an oral Ayahuasca experience, so in 22 minutes vs. normal 45 minutes...identical to the "come up period" for the 100mg sublingual viagra study on page 1. But the cool thing is that it lasts the same amount of time as an oral Ayahuasca experience = 90 minutes.

There is ZERO nausea, ZERO dizziness, ZERO queasiness feelings as there is no DMT or harmine going thru the stomach and intestines, that's the tradeoff you gain for the sting you endure.

The sublingual HPBCD DMT simulates an oral Ayahuasca experience, not vaped DMT, sorry if I did not clarify that earlier. She is just as beautiful and transcendent as any of my highest dosage cactus tea experiences.

300mg THH taken 45 minutes earlier then 80mg sublingual DMT complexed to 560 "plain" HPBCD (use 640mg HPBCD if it's the 2-hydroxy) feels to me like around 600mg plus of mescaline, she is VERY trippy, beautiful beyond belief, music is so incredible.

You will not feel anything with less than 20mg DMT complexed to 160mg 2-hydroxy HPBCD sublingually. And 20mg DMT is only a level 1 on the Shulgin strength scale from 1 to 5.

Seriously, there is nothing to be afraid of, most should up their dose to 60mg complexed to 420mg HPBCD, use 480mg if using the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin...I guarantee you will be flying high.

The higher dosage is needed as horsepower for the full 1.5 hour.

Post #27330099 is one of the most important posts of this thread and talks about the Planet in crisis, and why the Ayahuasca Queen wanted this discovered and propagated.

Post #27320774 contains the mind-blowing 5 hour visionary 300mg THH taken once (10.5 hour half life) + 60mg DMT complexed to 420mg HPBCD redosed x 3 times (every 1.5 hour) report.

The visions inspired me to buy a book on the Aztec myth of "Quetzalcoatl, the serpent of precious feathers", as I feel somehow this entity is a "teacher to mankind". I saw the brightly colored serpents many times in the 5 hours of visions, and now I understand why they are so commonly reported in Ayahuasca journeys.

They seem to possess divine knowledge that humans were not supposed to have been privileged to, but the serpents gifted this knowledge to humankind.

I recently found a 1.5 hour video on Amazon prime entitled "Ancient Alien Origins" which is all about this ancient alien flying serpent or dragon entity which is found in all religions of the world, very interesting video, highly recommend.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96861&p=5

pic1: Sublingual & oral DMT horsepower, women riding horses, where the Queen of the forest lives, Ayahuasca.

pic2: Priestess of Quetzalcoatl





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    #27342480 - 06/10/21 05:56 AM (8 days, 8 hours ago)

Summary:

I will for sure be using this stuff for the rest of my life, so love it. I use in place of my high dose cactus tea when I trip at home now, dirt cheap, and save my rare cactus for outdoors only. She is VERY trippy, just as beautiful and transcendent as high dose cactus tea. 300mg tetrahydroharmine, or THH 45 minutes taken orally before + 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD taken sublingually under tongue is a level 5 maxed out Shulgin strength level trip & feels to me very similar to 600mg plus of mescaline, beautiful beyond belief, neon intricate geometrics open eyed on the walls with splashes of neon color washing the walls, colored sparklets flying in the air like fireworks and fantastic closed eye visuals/visions & music is so incredible. See post #54 for 5 hour report.

Procedure: 300mg tetrahydroharmine (use from 150mg to 300mg) taken 45 minutes before orally + 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD, use 640mg if using the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin using 12 drops very hot water from a nearby coffee mug all mashed together for 2 minutes on a spoon, using the end of another spoon to mash & knead it all together.

Then taken sublingually by placing bottom of tongue on to spoon, it will all adhere to bottom of tongue...hold for 15 minutes under tongue in the sublingual mucosa, then spit out any saliva (but not what's under your tongue), continue to hold any residue under tongue for 10 more minutes, never release your tongue the whole 25 minutes...press down hard with tongue the whole time to trap complex in the sublingual mucosa. 22 minutes after you begin all of this, you will go from sober to full throttle, a level 5 experience for 90 minutes, then you can re-dose by two more times every 1.5 hour in order to trip heavy all night.

If you can't tolerate the sting, you can take the HPBCD DMT orally by mixing into 200mg harmine + 150mg to 300mg THH tea all mixed together in 2oz very hot water, take at the exact same time all mixed together, just as the Shaman's do. The HPBCD DMT turns 100% clear when it hits the hot water. Use 100mg crushed vit c to make the harmine and thh absorb into the water should they be in freebase form.

Use a 1:1 molar ratio of DMT to HPBCD to trap all the DMT inside the tornado HPBCD cone.
This means 1:7mg weight ratio of DMT to HPBCD for the plain HPBCD.
This means 1:8mg weight ratio of DMT to HPBCD for the 2-hydroxy propyl beta cyclodextrin.

Don't forget THH doubles the half-life of the DMT, so that's why you get a 90 minute very strong trip. Very long afterglow after that as well. I am off to beach for a week, then waterpark and weight room for the summer, have a good weekend & summer.



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    #27344822 - 06/11/21 09:25 PM (6 days, 16 hours ago)

soo, does it work without the THH or not? as it "doubles halflife" in your body, i wonder how it could do that? reduce breakdown of dmt.. but break down non enzymaticlly? or perhaps mechanism isnt yet understood or as. aplant extract contains small amounts of maoi harmaline aswell;). as the use timing, description of what it does (reduce breakdown/extending half life) is suspiciously like normal pharma aya.


I suspect if u take your complex dmt thh sublingual and compare to normal thh dmt sublingual would be very close.  ie the combo of thh and dmt being the key, not the complex.. ssri s are known to decrease affects of tryptamines, not make them stronger.. so if thh is a classic ssri it may decrease affects however chances are it has maoi type activity either itself or because an impure plant extract with harmaline. also one would assume if thh had ssri it would be dangerous to take with harmalineso whole plant tea would be a sketchy combo and may get the syndrome... as even ssri s that are heavily studied arent fully uderstood, i imagine THH if ever studied again may prove to be more of an maoi type action increasing seritonin or metabolized and creates more classic harmaline type action. just a guess.. anyway, if complex doesnt work (or barely different then sublingual dmt without THH) i suspect the THH is not adding per say but decreasing break down of dmt in the body (as u even stated). it seems pretty obvious if look objectively.


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    #27348353 - 06/14/21 09:35 PM (3 days, 16 hours ago)

Don't forget, this can also be used orally with 200mg harmine + 150 to 300mg THH as well, all mixed together into 2oz hot water tea, and taken at exact same time, use 100mg crushed vit C to help harmalas absorb should they be in freebase form, mix and drink all at exact same time just as Shaman's do...several factors stronger than DMT salts, 60mg feels just like actual 30g Hawaiian psychotria leaf, 80mg HPBCD DMT feels just like 40mg Hawaiian psychotria leaf, VERY STRONG, 70mg HPBCD DMT is like sit in your seat and don't move for 1 hour strong. The HPBCD DMT turns 100% completely clear when it hits the 2oz hot water tea, totally translucent.

With 70mg HPBCD DMT mixed into 200mg harmine + 300mg THH 2oz hot water tea, on earlier trip, saw walls fill with intricate 3-D honeycomb brown & orange geometrics, neon splashes of color floating in the air, music incredible, closed eye geometrics morphing and spinning. All objects around me caught in a sort of "teleportation like fortress of neon color". High frequency body vibration was very strong.

I love the longer trips, will explain below.

Someone mentioned they provided the DMT reddit with a link to this, but nobody over there seems to be interested at all...they seem to be only into the few minute "roller coaster ride" of smoked DMT. The topic also seems to get buried under a hundred other posts by day's end.

I am just the opposite, I prefer the 90 minute x repeat by twice for a 4.5 hour strong experience all night, with of course 300mg THH taken 45 minutes before it all. I grew up taking Ayahuasca x 70 times & strong cactus tea x 200 times, so I like trips that resemble cactus.

The 5-day beach trip was a complete blast...there was a group of 8 of us (5 women, 3 guys). We rented a gorgeous beach house with 4 bedrooms & pool two blocks from beach. We went to waterpark the 1st day, so much fun...walked the boardwalk with our dogs early in the morning and at night, visited a couple restaurants, 2nd day went out to pier, boardwalk, played at beach, hung out at beach-house pool every afternoon and night, etc. Visited other areas of the beach, boardwalk & town next 3 days.

So nice to get away from my "air-conditioned ant hill of a job" for a long while.

We are doing this every year for 5 days we had so much fun! Back home, thankfully we have a waterpark here where I get a summer pass every summer, go at least once a week all summer long...used to lifeguard at beach in my 20's, and later trained lifeguards at waterpark I live by. Water spirit here. There were so many people at beach and on the boardwalk, absolute Heaven. I walked for 2 hours from 20th street to 50th street and back one afternoon, people-watching & stopping at several piers.

I used to be 150 lbs until my freshman friend in college dragged me to the fieldhouse gym the football players worked out at, put on 30lbs of muscle in two years after that. I remember the first day I worked out, puked pretty hard when I got back to dorm room. Very sore for a few weeks, then it got easier to handle after that.

On the day I went to waterpark, I downed a 6oz boiled down tea made from 2 x 12" long medium size (2.5" thick diameter) genuine strong san pedro  :biggrin: that I had prepared before the trip (kept frozen till re-heated), super bitter and tripped my ass off at the waterpark...I always take cactus tea anytime I go to waterpark, been doing that for years. Complete blast. the tea felt like about 500mg of mescaline.

I've never purged from taking THH, try putting it in a capsule voidmatrix? my weight is 210, bodyfat 12%. Weight lifter since my early 20's. I get zero nausea and zero dizziness from it, completely benign to me. Only slight dizziness if I go above 300mg, but none at all below that.

As mentioned earlier, 300mg THH taken 45 minutes earlier, then sublingual 80mg DMT complexed to 560mg HPBCD (use 640mg if using the 2-hydroxy PBCD) feels to me very similar to 600mg plus of mescaline, absolutely beautiful beyond belief, which is what I use to trip on at home all the time now, and save my cactus for outdoors only. I re-dose the sublingual HPBCD DMT every 1.5 hour to continue the journey and fun for 4.5 hours total.



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    #27348576 - 06/15/21 01:06 AM (3 days, 13 hours ago)

soo any effects with just complexed dmt no THH?  i think people arent interested as the complex is for fat soluble hormones (think thats what u cited no?) and wont work better then normal sublingual/snorted dmt ie sorta.. but again as u stated teh THH makes blood levels higher for longer correct? similar to what MAOI would do ie ur taking small doses of aya not dmt;) dmt+maoi=aya..

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    #27348732 - 06/15/21 06:13 AM (3 days, 7 hours ago)

I still need to explore HPBCD...but I did my first experiment with just THH and mush. It felt like a much more emotional and feminine energy than usual. I also felt more physically drained afterward, but that could just be coincidence.

Thanks for the recommendation, tregar!


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    #27349121 - 06/15/21 12:47 PM (3 days, 1 hour ago)

the man, just give it a try already! Thanks for report LeafRaker!

I have used this stuff sublingually (if you count the number of times I re-dosed in an evening) around 18 times in 3 month period, each time it is just as strong as an oral dose, in other words 80mg HPBCD DMT sublingual is just as strong as 80mg HPBCD DMT used orally with 200mg harmine + 150mg to 300mg THH all mixed together in a 2oz very hot water tea...no difference in strength. I tolerate the sting very well, no issues. But yes, just use it orally if you want. It is several factors stronger than DMT salts used orally. I should know I ran a dozen experiments with DMT salts long ago, and the HPBCD DMT blows it away in strength & all encompassing just like the Hawaiian psychotria leaf.

Here is a pic of the REAL san pedro I use everytime I go to waterpark, I make a tea out of 2 of these bad boys (2.5" thick x 12" long) and boil the tea down to 6oz, no foam, and filter thru a cotton ball in a funnel after boil down....tea made from two feels like 500mg mescaline, extremely beautiful at the waterpark...great for outdoors...trip my ass off. I use 300mg THH taken orally 45 minutes before the sublingual 80mg HPBCD DMT x redosed every 1.5 to 2 hours at home, it feels JUST LIKE 600mg plus of mescaline...beautiful beyond belief. Substitutes for the cactus for "at home use" VERY trippy, my 2 loves, oral THH + sublingual HPBCD DMT x 3 time re-dose all evening, or cactus tea for outdoors....both infinitely & profoundly beautiful.

The sports supplement place I got the plain HPBCD went out of business once pro-hormones became illegal, just like alot of other places, they carried the 1kg containers for price of two movie tickets right next to all the pro-hormones for sale, so that you could complex them at home for sublingual use, all this was explained "how to do" by chemist & weight lifter Patrick Arnold on part 5 of this paper at beginning. This is who I learned it from.

Pic: Cacti woman with four REAL san pedro each 2.5" thick x 12" long, each one equivalent of around 250mg mescaline.



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